Superman Rebooted - Page 10

Pete-D · 10-27-2008, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Chuck Mayer

Of course he knows she was pregnant. He is Superman. Via Kingdom Come, they indicated he could hear cells collide if he wanted, so he knows his junk worked on Lois.

D-E-A-D-B-E-A-T. And an abandoner. And a peeping tom. And a sissy.

Need I go on?

That might canon for the comics, but it clearly isn't in the Singer film.

I think the other thing Singer wanted to do was the tie Marlon Brando from Superman I into Returns, and thus the whole father-son story arc. Again it sounds good on paper, it just is one of those things that doesn't work on screen.

Actually I think a Superman that knowingly goes around knocking up women would probably have played better with modern audiences, lol.

Still though I don't think Superman Returns really was any worse than the majority of comic books films. Can you really say Daredevil or Fantastic 4 or either one of the Hulk films or even the first X-Men was leaps and bounds better? Returns was just in that categorey rather than the upper echelon of Batman Begins/TDK/Spider-Man/Spidey 2/X-Men 2.

Steve Christou · 10-27-2008, 07:53 PM

Come to think of it Superman Returns was a dark and gloomy film wasn't it? It was even more humourless than The Dark Knight. Kevin Spacey's Lex Luthor was unlikable and the films nasty low point is the thrashing Supes gets from Lex and his cronies. Any wonder the film failed to soar?

That whole badly misjudged sequence with the thug playing piano with the kid for instance, making the guy seem sympathetic and than... I mean how pointless was all that? The entire movie was misjudged right from the get go. The only thing Singer seemed to get right was Superman himself, Brandon Routh had the Chris Reeve look down pat but Routh just wasn't the most charismatic of actors.

A reboot would be interesting but if they make it even gloomier than Returns... I don't know. Maybe I should start reading the comics again.

Pete-D · 10-27-2008, 07:57 PM

The one thing about SR is the "beating of Superman" scene was over-the-top violent IMO ... it just sorta comes out of nowhere, that's an example of tone problems.

Both of Singer's X-Men films were fairly humorless too though. I didn't really understand the point of casting Kal Penn and then giving his character zero lines.

SilverWook · 10-28-2008, 01:03 AM

It's no more violent or out of left field than mere mortal Clark getting bloodied and beaten up by that bully at the diner in Superman II.

Pete-D · 10-28-2008, 03:24 AM

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Originally Posted by SilverWook

It's no more violent or out of left field than mere mortal Clark getting bloodied and beaten up by that bully at the diner in Superman II.

Erm, I dunno about that, that scene "worked" because we have to see Superman bleed there to show he's really lost his powers.

But it's still a pretty comical scene when you really think about it.

I think that scene in SR doesn't work because up until that point Spacey plays Luthor kinda like Hackman ... he's not really *that* bad of a guy, he just wants world domination (via real estate scams apparently). But then to see him just viciously beat Superman basically the death ... it's a bit much. They needed to establish that character as more violent/sinister earlier on in the film for that to really have worked.

Sam Favate · 10-28-2008, 07:33 AM

Some interesting numbers on SR:

Superman Returns - Box Office Data, Movie News, Cast Information - The Numbers

SilverWook · 10-28-2008, 07:53 PM

Not that bad of a guy? Hackman's Luthor was going to blow up Hackensack New Jersey for the sheer hell of it, not to mention millions of deaths from California falling into the ocean. All for the sake of a real estate scam.

Superman: Is that how a warped brain like yours gets its kicks? By planning the death of innocent people?
Lex Luthor: No, by causing the death of innocent people.

And he was going to let Superman slowly drown in the swimming pool with that Kryptonite around his neck.

It's mentioned in Superman several guards were killed in the theft of the Kryptonite meteorite as well.

Luthor is more than willing to be vicious if it serves his purposes.

DavidPla · 10-29-2008, 02:10 PM

Mark Millar is speaking more about the idea he's been pitching for a Superman Trilogy.

Empire: Movie News - Exclusive: Mark Millar Talks Superman

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“It’s gonna be like Michael Corleone in the Godfather films, the entire story from beginning to end, you see where he starts, how he becomes who he becomes, and where that takes him. The Dark Knight showed you can take a comic book property and make a serious film, and I think the studios are ready to listen to bigger ideas now.”

“The problem with Superman Returns was like releasing Star Wars in ’77, The Empire Strikes Back in ’80 and then waiting 28 years to release Return of the Jedi, it wasn’t relevant. I understand what Bryan Singer was trying to do, to pay homage to Richard Donner’s original vision, but I think you should pay homage by doing something completely different.”

“I want to start on Krypton, a thousand years ago, and end with Superman alone on Planet Earth, the last being left on the planet, as the yellow sun turns red and starts to supernova, and he loses his powers."

Gary Seven · 10-29-2008, 02:17 PM

What a wonderful way to end a Superman trilogy

Could the story be more morose?

Steve Christou · 10-29-2008, 02:24 PM

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“I want to start on Krypton, a thousand years ago, and end with Superman alone on Planet Earth, the last being left on the planet, as the yellow sun turns red and starts to supernova, and he loses his powers."

Hey I kinda like that, but wait a minute, Superman still around billions of years from now? Is he immortal? Does he not age? He did age normally in the films did he not? Unless he's somehow transported into the far future...

Russell G · 10-29-2008, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve Christou

Hey I kinda like that, but wait a minute, Superman still around billions of years from now? Is he immortal? Does he not age? He did age normally in the films did he not? Unless he's somehow transported into the far future...

I was under the impression he ages slowly, but not 1000 years slowly. You see him with his hair graying in KINGDOM COME, but he's still Superman, with all the power. If you want to do a film like that, an entire life story, just rip off Alan Moores run on "SUPEREME : STORY OF THE YEAR", which is probably the better Superman story done, not only to read but it cleared up 70 years of comic book continuity in 12 issues, which DC comics hasn't been able to do in 12 mini-series.

I am all for not acknowledging the Donner films. Still don't get the love for those, and Reeves kinda sucked, compared to George Reeves anyways.