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Old 05-29-2008, 12:49 PM   #91 of 102
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Chuck, Speed Racer wasn't shot in IMAX 70mm. Normally these films are blown up from 35mm to 70mm, so you don't get the benefit of the extra resolution.
Don, I wasn't clear enough in my post I understood that, and I was worried the blown-up image wouldn't be as sharp as in a normal theater. But I was wrong I know I didn't get the extra resolution. But the picture still was very impressive.
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Old 05-29-2008, 02:25 PM   #92 of 102
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Glad your coworker and son liked it. After reading your posts, I really can't wait to see it again.

I'm also disappointed more people haven't seen it. When a great movie like this comes along and does poorly at the box office, I'm just trying to open people to giving this a chance. I talked to my brother last night and asked him if he's seen it. He hasn't seen it, and heard it was stupid. Unfortunately, many people seem turned off by it because of the poor reviews and how it was marketed. On Rotten Tomatoes, it has a 33% rating. Yet, here on HTF, it's 100%, with a lot of glowing reviews.

Something I haven't seen mentioned anywhere is how this is somewhat similar to other "feel good" sports movies like Hoosiers and Rudy. I think anyone who enjoyed those movies would like this one, too.

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Old 05-29-2008, 03:08 PM   #93 of 102
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I'm also disappointed more people haven't seen it. When a great movie like this comes along and does poorly at the box office, I'm just trying to open people to giving this a chance.
For me, it's a combination of the very low RT rating and what the W brothers did with the Matrix sequels, coupled with ZERO attachment to the cartoon. That's very hard to overcome. Actually, Chuck's comments on the film might have persuaded me if he wasn't so enamored with the Matrix sequels.
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Old 05-29-2008, 03:19 PM   #94 of 102
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Well, more enamored with Reloaded than Revolutions (though I liked Revolutions OK). But that may damn me with you than vice versa I admit that I am very receptive to their filmmaking techniques, and this perhaps accurately frames my opinions. But I rarely get vehement about a film, as you know.

I would recommend ignoring my posts and checking out the Review thread...it *IS* all thumbs up from a variety of viewpoints...if you have a twinge of interest. The film is much more The Matrix than it's sequels.
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Old 05-29-2008, 04:08 PM   #95 of 102
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I'm not particularly fond of RELOADED or REVOLUTIONS. I'm also not a fan of the SPEED RACER cartoon series. I know the general outline and some of the characters from the series but I have never actually watched an episode of the cartoon.

I went to SPEED RACER out of curiosity and due to the fact that "critics" were savaging it. I was expecting a complete trainwreck of a movie. I was pleasantly surprised to find that the movie was better than it was being given credit for. I thought the characters were rather well played and the interactions were well done, especially the conversations between SR and his mother and father.

Another well done bit of business occurred in a locker room where SR had a conversation with a former race car driver that he very much admired. What impressed me about the scene was the very indirect way the question SR asked was answered. The whole sub-thread about that old race was handled quite well. Using it to create a moment where SR and his father really seem "bond" while watching the race on TV was really well done. That bit felt completely "realistic" to me. You could almost picture yourself and your own father in a similar situation.

The revelations about the race that occur later really felt like a betrayal of that entire moment of bonding that took place between father and son. I know I'm going to sound "touchy feely", but I just can't describe the whole '42 race business as anything but a really well done moment of father-son bonding brought low by stark reality.

Just on that moment alone, I consider SR to be better written than IJ IV and IRON MAN put together.

In IRON MAN, the main character's conversion just seems sort of flat and false. The father-son and Mother-son conversations in SR sounded and felt completely natural and real, at least to me. IJ, to me, has nothing in the writing that compares to SR.

I will give one caveat regarding SR. If you hate CGI-heavy, green screen effects then SR is not for you. The film is chockful of CGI and green screen and doesn't try to hide them. If you hate the look of that type of film making then you might as well avoid the film.



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Old 05-29-2008, 04:10 PM   #96 of 102
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I had zero attachment to the cartoon and I wasn't a fan of the Matrix sequels. The poor reviews on RT were discouraging, but I still went to see it because the previews made it seem really cool and there were some people here who loved it. For me, despite many poor reviews, a movie is a worth checking out if there are some who don't just like it but really love it. As I mentioned earlier, it's 100% positive in the review thread here at HTF. That's a no brainer to me whether I should see it or not.

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Old 05-29-2008, 04:33 PM   #97 of 102
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Took in what was very likely my last showing for the theaters. I'd never seen a feature film in IMAX before, but this was available (some distance from my house), and it certainly warranted a trip.

First, IMAX. I wasn't sure what to expect since IMAX cameras shoot with greater resolution than most feature films. I wasn't sure how the image would translate to the larger screen. I needn't have worried. It was as sharp as I've ever seen a movie look. Almost comparatively like watching HD media at home versus SD media. Sound system was a blast as well. All of this allowed me to focus on the movie pretty tightly, having seen it twice before.

But does it hold up? I rarely see films in theaters more than twice anymore, because I start to notice nits or flaws in them much more easily, and that sort of deflates the experience. That's no knock on any of the films, just me.

So it was with a bit of trepidation that we started the film. I'd talked it up a lot at work, and managed to convince one whole person to check it out with me (I asked more than TEN ). How stupid would I look?

Fortunately, not at all. I'm probably even more content with the film now than I was after the initial viewing. With a bit of familiarity with the events, I spent some time looking at the margins of the film, or focusing on the mechanics of the race cars and their interactions. Like any truly well-crafted film, Speed Racer really holds up to scrutiny. It's got a strong script, with a solid story structure. The opening sequences and closing sequences (first and last 15 minutes) are so well directed and edited that it's nearly impossible to not be sucked into them. The amount of story material and characterization piled into the opening is amazing. And the way in which it is presented is refreshing and energetic. The relationships are introduced through some touching vignettes, each tying into the race portion of the present. It's absolutely top-shelf filmmaking, in service of an adaptation of a 45 year old cartoon It's a weird marriage. The bookend to the opening sequences is the brilliant ending race, specifically the final lap. While it's a montage of previous conversations, it works seamlessly with Giacchino's score and really gives some major oomph to the film itself.

It's a long film, perhaps even a bit indulgent, but I enjoyed each of the scenes for what they were. Following up with the opening structure, the film oftens shifts back in time (it only does the forward thing during Royalton's big speech) usually to punch home a detail in just the right way. This means that the exposition is done visually, for the most part. Like previous W Brothers film, a lot of information is passed without a red flag warning the audience they are getting it, so it pays to pay attention. There is some expository information passed in conversations, but it's usually doubled with visual info, so the younger viewers can keep up with the basic story.

The races are a lot of fun, featuring some wonderful visual effects. They often approach photo-realism without losing any of their heightened style. The physics of the crazy racing is not airtight, but it's pretty good, usually cheating for visuals, as opposed to being poor models. Watching the cars bang around is more fun the more you see it, because it is pretty cohesive. It's not just flash...specific things are happening in the scrum. Highly kinetic stuff!

I dug Hirsch's performance more this time. There isn't a ton in the script, but he's sweet without being saccharine when he needs to be, he's a bit gritty without being laughable when he needs to be, and he nails the few scenes he has to in order to sell the story of the Racer family. Ricci's performance really reminds me of Reese Witherspoon, in her mannerisms and speech patterns. But it works for her, and she's very sexy and tough without being slutty or masculine. Sarandon plays the perfect mother, minding her family with love and firmness. Fox gets special note, because his costume is pretty absurd when you look at it But he's great with and without the mask on. He has the strongest emotional moment in the film, and it's well earned by the score, and what has come before.

Onto the score, I think it's fabulous. I'm not sure what else to say by it uses the famous theme in numerous ways, and it goes from whimsy to epic to touching very smoothly. If you are a movie score kind of person, it's a fantastic one. The score really punctuates the film throughout, matching the material very well, and being pleasant to listen to on it's own.

Yeah, I've swooned over this thing enough. I've mentioned it enough in other threads. The Tragic Story of Speed Racer's Box Office will be a cautionary tale in years to come. But it's a footnote to the movie they made. Visually dazzling, thematically pure, and wonderfully executed, this is a movie that I might have to defend more than others, but it'll be my pleasure to do so. What's especially nice is that, checking the review thread, I'll mostly have to defend it against people who haven't seen it

If you can see the film in IMAX, I recommend it. Sorry for a second "review" in this thread, but I didn't feel right putting another "review" in that thread. The IMAX experience warranted some thoughts though.

As a side note, a brightly lit sign in the Viking den where the Viking team is plied with furs reads: GROG LITE. You got to get a little smile out of that.

I'm curious, why do you feel like you have to defend the movie against anyone who hasn't seen it, but doesn't think it is a good movie.

For many people the trailers for Speed Racer just didn't win them over, why is that such a hard concept for many on this forum to understand.

Chuck, what about the people who didn't see the film but still think it may be good picture based on what they've heard and seen in the previews. Shouldn't these people also be challenged in their assessment of the film since their assuming Speed Racer is going to be a good film and they haven't even seen it yet.

The whole point of trailers is to give one a taste of what's to come, it either clicks with the masses or it doesn't. Obviously Speed Racer hasn't clicked with the masses.

From what I've read on this panel anyone who has a problem with film automatically has their credibility challenged.

Personally, I thought the film was terrible and I did see it and I am huge fan of the series.

I believe I brought this up before, but Chuck, I remember you really knocking X-Men 3 without even seeing it.

I'm not trying to start a fight, I just feel like there are double standards on this forum at times.
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Old 05-29-2008, 05:19 PM   #98 of 102
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Don, I wasn't clear enough in my post I understood that, and I was worried the blown-up image wouldn't be as sharp as in a normal theater. But I was wrong I know I didn't get the extra resolution. But the picture still was very impressive.

Actually your average 35mm print probably would end up with less resolution than the Imax print if you think about it.

While I'm here I may as well make an observation. Perhaps the reason the thread is largely filled with positive reviews is because those who saw it and didn't like it don't care enough to comment? I saw it a couple of weeks ago in an empty theater based on all the comments here and I thought it was pretty average, and had forgotten all about it by the time I was home that day. It's not an awful film but it's not good either. At least now I know not to buy the Bluray.
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Old 05-29-2008, 06:32 PM   #99 of 102
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