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Old 07-23-2008, 12:09 AM   #1381 of 1672
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This is what I'm struggling with concerning Satantango. I really want to watch it again, but how do I 1) find a 7-hour block of time and 2) sacrifice the opportunity to make a dent in my own "bottomless pile"... especially for something I just watched the other day?

For these epic-length movies, it really takes a concentrated effort to commit to, "this is it, I am watching this now".

Both things I bolded were good points.

With FANNY, I held off on it for so long that I decided to ask opinions here and just go for it.

That "bottomless pit" can be frustrating and great. It's frustrating because you never can get enough watched no matter how many hours you put into it. My insomnia keeps getting worse and when I watched those six or seven films the other day (Vacation's, Sally) I went on a 32-hour period without sleep. Even then, while doing some research, I discovered some new silents that I'm currently trying to track down so that pit just got bigger.

However, if I ever get to the point where I don't want to learn more or search out more then I'd quit watching movies all together. I can't imagine limiting myself to a certain group of movies, even movies that I love. The thrill is finding these new gems and so on. I've still got thousands of "highly regarded" foreign films to go through as well as catching all my favorite actors films, all these silents and on top of that I still have to find all the trash out there.

With regards to longer running films, quite often I find myself passing on them just to get other stuff out of the way. Before watching FANNY I told myself that I could knock out the final three discs of that Melies set in less time. Hell, as bad as I'm wanting to watch the uncut SCENES, I'm still reminding myself that I've seen one version of it and in that time I could knock out some Kurosawa's that I haven't watched.

But as of 1:09am, I think I'll go with some Meyer.


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Old 07-23-2008, 12:18 AM   #1382 of 1672
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I know what you all mean. I've had Scenes from a Marriage unopened on my shelf for literally years now. I have La Roue and another longish Gance film that TCM showed a few months ago on my DVR and even though I own every other of the 20+ Fassbinder films released on DVD in R1, I haven't bought or even rented Berlin Alexanderplatz because I have no idea when I could find the time to watch it despite it being one of my cinema "holy grails."



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Old 07-23-2008, 02:30 AM   #1383 of 1672
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Old 07-23-2008, 02:47 AM   #1384 of 1672
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This is what I'm struggling with concerning Satantango. I really want to watch it again, but how do I 1) find a 7-hour block of time and 2) sacrifice the opportunity to make a dent in my own "bottomless pile"... especially for something I just watched the other day?

For these epic-length movies, it really takes a concentrated effort to commit to, "this is it, I am watching this now". I had to give up most of an entire weekend for Berlin Alexanderplatz (which was good, but not worth the time investment).

I almost started this discussion after your SATANTANGO (1994) post but, after Michael chimed in with his FANNY AND ALEXANDER (1982) comments, I decided to share with you my “running time” turmoil.

I have been itching to watch the 3 Louis Feuillade serials I own on DVD for years now – particularly the 7-hour 10-part LES VAMPIRES (1915-16) – especially now when comic strip superheroes are all over the place. I know that I could very well watch an episode or two a day with such stuff (rather than the whole thing in one stretch) but:

a) I’d hate to keep popping the discs in and out of my DVD player
b) I wouldn’t want to keep the discs inside the DVD player for days on end lest some natural calamity befalls that particular room space in the interim. Shit happens, you know!

I’d hate to rain on Brook’s parade but, since you mentioned it, I too am in agreement that the 15-hour-plus BERLIN ALEXANDERPLATZ (1980) “was good, but not worth the time investment”. Even less rewarding for me was Jacques Rivette’s near-legendary 13-hour folly OUT 1, NOLI ME TANGERE (1970) in spite of a terrific French cast. For the record, neither of these two were watched in one gargantuan stretch but the strain was still too much for (comparatively) too little gain!

Ah – to get back to the old carefree days (late 1980s) when I had under a 100 VHS (with no extras, irrelevant or otherwise) and I’d happily spend my summer holidays watching DRACULA (1931), FRANKENSTEIN (1931), BRIDE OF FRANKENSTEIN (1935), DRACULA’S DAUGHTER (1936) and even an Italian-dubbed THE GHOST OF FRANKENSTEIN (1942) over and over!



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Old 07-23-2008, 07:03 AM   #1385 of 1672
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heh, I had Pickpocket unwatched for three weeks because the netflix envelope said 2 hours and 15 minutes, rather than the real running time of 1 hour and 15 minutes. I think I enjoyed the movie a lot more than I would have once I found out the movie was a mere 75 minutes.

But I share your guys' pain, I want to see Berlin Alexanderplatz, but it's daunting to get around to, likewise I had La Roue and J'Accuse on my DVR unwatched (though I watched the Abel Gance doc TCM also aired) because they were so long. Unfortunately, I had to return it to the cable company when I moved. I also had The Crowd, Viridiana, Paisa, and many other interesting movies I hadn't got to (though I made an effort to try to watch the Crowd I wasn't able to finish it before moving).


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Old 07-23-2008, 09:59 AM   #1386 of 1672
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You've made me all excited again to see Satantango. I've been in the same boat - 7 hours is a lot of time (you could actually squeeze in 5 good film noirs in that time period...). But I absolutely loved Werckmeister Harmonies - that opening dance and the incredible music, the hospital scene, the whale...And the long takes seemed to be useful in not only telling the tale but letting you live with the characters. I saw Tarr's Man From London at last year's film festival in Toronto and though it was gorgeous - it wore me out. The story just didn't seem to need the long takes and dragged immensely for me.

But now I can't wait to see Satantango. I'll bump it up in my zip queue.

I adore Werckmeister as well, so I think you'll like Satantango. Haven't had the opportunity to see Man from London yet, although the general consensus seems to be disappointment.


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I've had Devils On The Doorsteps in my hands several times while at my local video store for rent, but just haven't pulled the trigger on it. Maybe I will next time.

Take the plunge. It's a movie I'm always cheerleading for, I wish everyone would see it.


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Old 07-23-2008, 10:00 AM   #1387 of 1672
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07/16/08: FUNNY GAMES (Michael Haneke, 2007)

I had watched Haneke’s own original Austrian version of this made ten years earlier; since it’s been some time from that sole viewing, I don’t recall exactly what my opinion of the film had been – but it was certainly more favorable than that of its totally unnecessary Americanization! With this in mind, I can’t really tell whether the new version has made changes to the earlier film’s narrative; I’m not sure, for instance, whether the gimmicks found here (Michael Pitt’s asides to the audience or his ‘rewrite’ of the plot towards the end) were also a part of the 1997 original.

Anyway, Haneke is hardly the first director to have remade his own work – but the result, in this case, is easily among the most superfluous I’ve come across. While the entire cast performs as if convinced it’s involved in the creation of something special, this feeling isn’t shared by the audience (at least, not this viewer); the fault lies with the inherent artificiality of Haneke’s concept and the resultant stiff acting by talented actors (Naomi Watts and Tim Roth) who are well capable of much better things. One doesn’t question the possibility that such acts of senseless violence can happen – but, judging strictly by what is depicted here, it’s hard to swallow the fact that the couple (whom we’re given the impression are fairly intelligent) would allow two obnoxious baby-faced brats to terrorize them for the length of time they do without giving them a fair fight (even if the husband is as wimpy as they come and gets immobilized with just one golf club smack to boot, and the action is confined for a considerable stretch of the duration to a single room).

In the long run, anyone not familiar with the original or the director’s work in general – to say nothing of some conservative viewer drawn merely by the star presences and expecting a mainstream thriller – might well be shocked by Haneke’s casual attitude to violence and especially death; however, neither will they be spared the boredom of his pointless extended takes from a fixed camera position!


07/17/08: MUSCLE BEACH PARTY (William Asher, 1964)

This proved to be the first “Beach Party” entry I watched, actually the second of the 7-movie series: I guess it has all the required elements – teenage boys and girls, their interaction/clashing with other members of society (in this case, aristocracy and muscle-men!), surf, songs, and even a touch of the bizarre (in the mysterious but erratic figure of Mr. Strangdour and his monstrous henchman).

The tone is that of a light romantic comedy with the expected evocative beach setting (though much of the surfing that’s seen is actually stock footage!). What little plot there is concerns an Italian princess (a fresh-faced and appealing Luciana Paluzzi) looking for a prospective groom – first, she settles on a muscle-bound winner of the “Mr. Galaxy” title, but then draws her attentions over to idle teen (as opposed to teen idol!) Frankie Avalon who happens to be able to carry a tune. This, however, doesn’t sit well with his wholesome girlfriend Annette Funicello – which leads to the two kids splitting, and the three factions at constant loggerheads (sometimes within the same camp). While the muscle-men are managed by Don Rickles and Paluzzi has Buddy Hackett for an advisor, the teens’ resistible comic relief is provided by the goofy “Deadhead” – played by Jody McCrea (Joel’s son!); even worse, they number among them a blonde whose specialty is a literally overwhelming hip-shaking routine (the producers seemed to be particularly fond of this character since she’s all over this film, and the one that followed at least!).

The songs are nothing special (though we are introduced to ‘Little’ Stevie Wonder!) and the climax involves a free-for-all at a club run by the eccentric Morey Amsterdam; however, there’s a delightful surprise at the end involving a cameo by none other than Peter Lorre (a device which was retained for future “Beach” installments as well): incidentally, the end credits inform us that Lorre would return for BIKINI BEACH (1964) – but, unfortunately, he was dead by this time…and another great horror star turned up in his place (read my review for that film to find out his identity).


07/18/08: BIKINI BEACH (William Asher, 1964)

This sequel to MUSCLE BEACH PARTY (1964) is only slightly better: much of the teen cast returns, as well as Don Rickles (but, having now forsaken muscle-men for drag-strip racing) and even Stevie Wonder. We do get a number of new faces – eminent publisher Keenan Wynn (with a practiced simian in tow, he’s intent on demonstrating that the youth of today have regressed to pretty much its primitive state!) and schoolteacher Martha Hyer constituting more or less the normal people (they start out as opponents but gradually come to understand and love one another), Harvey Lembeck as the overage leader of a motorcycle gang called Eric Von Zipper (actually, this character had already featured in BEACH PARTY [1963]: here, he’s prone to falling victim, by his own hand, of Peter Lorre’s paralysis-by-touch technique seen at the end of the previous film) and Timothy Carey (appearing very briefly as a pool-playing eccentric who has a werewolf, fitted with a leather jacket, for a sidekick!).

There’s even a second role for Frankie Avalon – doubling as a legendary mop-top and gap-toothed (essentially a cross between The Beatles and Terry-Thomas!) British singer/racer…and, then, there’s that great final gag involving Boris Karloff (seen a couple of times from behind throughout but only revealed at the very end as an art dealer interested in Rickles’ abstract collection, quipping that he ought to tell his pal Vincent Price – noted for his taste in fine art and at the time also contracted to AIP – about it!). It’s these quasi-surreal elements – including the monkey driving Wynn’s car (to the recurring consternation of two traffic cops) as well as a dragster, and even doing a bit of surf…but extending to the final credits as blonde-with-powerful-hips Candy Johnson is joined in her wild dance by an aged member of Wynn’s old folks’ home! – which render the film that much more enjoyable than its predecessor. Otherwise, we get a lot of the same shtick as before – though the beach scenes themselves are thankfully downplayed here; the climax, then, involves a Keystone Kops-type chase which culminates in yet another gratuitous bit of brawling slapstick (this time occurring at Rickles’ pseudo-beatnik joint).

Again, the songs are far from classics but, all in all, the film retains some interest (not least in the contribution of cinematographer Floyd Crosby, production designer Daniel Haller and composer Les Baxter – all of them synonymous with Roger Corman’s contemporaneous horror films based on the writings of Edgar Allan Poe!) in particular for characterizing the transition between two trends in youth-oriented pictures i.e. the Juvenile Delinquent films of the 1950s and the Counter-Culture efforts (advocating drug use and Free Love) that would prevail soon after…


07/19/08: BEACH BLANKET BINGO (William Asher, 1965)

The fifth entry in the “Beach Party” series is universally acknowledged as the best of the lot. Having watched three such films in quick succession, I have to agree: it’s not that those concerned made a concentrated effort at creating something more accomplished than before, but just that all the various elements (while others were dropped or altered) seemed to be more evenly balanced here to produce a generally more satisfying result. Incidentally, not only is the script wittier than usual – but even the songs are kinda pleasant this time around…

Plotwise, we still get Frankie (Avalon) and Annette (Funicello) bickering – but, rather than because one of them is being ‘preyed’ upon by an interloper, both of them are in this case (and, coming via members of a skydiving troupe who’re supposed to instruct the “Beach” gang in just that type of sport, creates a few welcome sparks of high-flying tension). As always, the manager of the exciting but potentially dangerous ‘entertainment’ is played by Don Rickles – whose character name, or moniker, has gone from Jack Fanny in MUSCLE BEACH PARTY to “Big Drag” in BIKINI BEACH (both 1964) to “Big Drop” in this one! Annette’s fling, then, is John Ashley (usually seen as a surfer!) while Frankie’s is spunky Deborah Walley (whom I recently watched in the Elvis Presley vehicle SPINOUT [1966]) – since Ashley and Walley were married to one another at the time, I guess this is why they made the former a rival to Frankie instead of a pal for this particular entry!

Another important change in the nonsensically-titled BEACH BLANKET BINGO (by the way, exuberant dancing blonde Candy Johnson – easily the most resistible element in the two earlier films from the series that I watched, is nowhere to be seen in this one!) concerns the character played by Jody McCrea: while his nickname has unaccountably gone from “Deadhead” to “Bonehead”, he’s now given two separate romances (which means that his former grating comic relief persona has been considerably diluted). The first involves singing starlet Linda Evans (miles removed from her signature role in the 1980s TV series DYNASTY!), ostensibly engaged in a skydiving stunt to promote her current record but actually doubled by Walley, and the other with real mermaid Marta Kristen, who’s really the one that saved McCrea from drowning but the feat is once again attributed to the naïve but spoilt Evans by her conniving and sardonic manager Paul Lynde! While we do get an appearance from another screen giant here – comic genius Buster Keaton, then going through a much-deserved renaissance – this is rightly credited at the very start instead of relegated to the end credits, since it’s a relatively bigger role than either of Peter Lorre’s or Boris Karloff’s cameos (one in each of the previous “Beach Party” films I’d checked out). Even so, his character could have been better integrated into the plot – since, playing Rickles’ girl-chasing assistant, he’s not given anything particularly inspired to do: it’s fitting, for instance, that Keaton be involved in the speeded-up chase towards the end (by now a typical component of the series intended to mimic the style of Silent comedies)…but the same can’t be said of his cavorting with a trio of anonymous-looking girls during the final credit roll!

Two welcome presences (actually both returns from previous entries in the series, though allowed greater stature than before) are those of Harvey Lembeck as Eric von Zipper – self-pitying leader of the motorcycle gang “The Rat Pack”(!), who idolizes Evans to the point of kidnapping her – and Timothy Carey as the nasty “South Dakota Slim” (though, regrettably, without his werewolf companion from BIKINI BEACH: it’s strange how this actor brings such intensity to his portrayals that he seems to be permanently on acid or something…and this goes for mainstream fare as well, such as CRIME-WAVE [1954], which I watched just a few days prior to this one). By the way, both these actors are involved in the film’s two biggest belly-laughs: engaged in a billiards game at a pool-hall – already featured in BIKINI BEACH, its walls are adorned by portraits of notorious dictators! – and, with Lembeck taking forever to make his next move, Carey acidly quips that he’s shaved twice since von Zipper’s last shot!; the latter, then, enters a trendy nightclub by smashing through the front door on his motorcycle (as is Lembeck’s fashion) – only to land, in this particular case, head first in an aquarium! Besides, the element of surrealism which surprisingly entered the series with BIKINI BEACH is also present here in the form of the fanciful mermaid subplot as well as von Zipper’s ghastly yet amusing fate during the climax at a sawmill (which, again, evokes the cliff-hanging serials from the Silent era).


07/21/08: FORBIDDEN JUNGLE (Robert Emmett Tansey, 1950)

I’d never heard of this one when I came upon it at my local DVD rental outlet via the cheap Alpha edition; since I wasn’t even familiar with any of the personnel involved, I didn’t have much confidence in the film being any good – but still told myself I’d get to watch the thing someday based solely on its intriguing title and lurid poster (a gorilla carrying a scantily-clad woman)!

However, I was