Star Trek XI- Official now- 12.25.2008 (merged) - Page 4

Sean Bryan · 03-09-2007, 02:00 PM

If there is a God in Heaven, they will use this music in the score!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XyhhFzE5O5U

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DavidPla · 03-09-2007, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Sean Bryan

If there is a God in Heaven, they will use this music in the score!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XyhhFzE5O5U

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g82yZXXpxY8

Sean Bryan · 03-09-2007, 05:11 PM

He He! I loved that bit in Cable Guy.

PeterTHX · 03-09-2007, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Sean Bryan

If there is a God in Heaven, they will use this music in the score!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XyhhFzE5O5U

Ever since Eddie Murphy used it as Kirk porn music in "Delirious"...

Will_B · 03-09-2007, 06:00 PM

The best news IMO is this part:

Roberto Orci, without discussing a specific budget, added, "It'll be the biggest one. The economic models of the other [films] were very much based on the fans out there and their purchasing power. With this one we're going for the broad audience to bring people into Trek for the first time."

This statement about the budget is amazing news. I was so embarrassed for the Star Trek franchise when the title credits for Nemesis were simple white letters (in a stupid font) superimposed over the film. It screamed "low budget", and I wished for the day when a Star Trek film would have the same budget as a real movie. Sounds like that day is due.

I don't mind that this new Star Trek may be different than what came before, in terms of depicting the universe a bit differently. As long as the planets have the same names, and the personality traits of the different species are there in some form, that is staying true to the spirit of Trek. Even if the behavior manifested from those traits may be slightly different in this version of the universe.

That said, everyone has particular hopes about what elements of the current Star Trek universe might be nodded to in the next film as a sign of respect. For myself, I hope that T'Pol from Enterprise makes a cameo. She's a Vulcan, her lifespan is very long -- it would be great to see her, as a way of linking the new film to the Star Trek universe that was so beautifully built up in the recent Enterprise series.

Nelson Au · 03-09-2007, 06:59 PM

Actually Will_B, Star Trek Nemesis had a terrific graphic design for the titles. It wasn't low budget to me. It followed a trend that may have started with Panic Room but probably goes back to North By Northwest by the great designer Saul Bass.

The lowest budget titles in my opinion of a Star Trek film is Star Trek II The Wrath of Khan. They don't match the first film and the rest of the films of TOS use the same font as the first film. That was embarressing. And the use of rented computer panels on the Genesis space station, which was Nicolas Meyer's idea I think. He liked blinking lights. Of course Trek 2 had a severe budget cut!

Chris Will · 03-09-2007, 07:08 PM

I love ST, more then the stuff Lucas made. I grew up on ST but, I could careless about continuity with this film. Just make an enjoyable, entertaining movie and I'll be happy. I don't care if they destroy the universe at the end and Picard and company are never born. As long as it is a fun movie to watch I'll be satisfied. If they focus too much on getting Kirk's hair just right, making sure there are no stardate conflicts or making sure all the planets are the exact same color as TOS is when the movie will have problems.

The hardcore fans will never be pleased because there expectations are always too high (look at the SW prequels). IMO, don't worry about the hardcore fans, just make a good movie. If those fans get upset that there "fake" ST universe comes crashing down around them and they now have to wake up to reality and face the real world, so be it. Just let the producers tell the story they want to tell. Why does it need to fit in with the other ST stories before it is beyond me. That's all they are, just stories. They are not real so why does it matter if it breaks this mythical continuity? If fans can't go back and watch old ST episodes, and enjoy them because this movie breaks the continuity, is just sad and complete BS. My DVDs will still tell the same stories no matter what happens in this movie. IMO, it is the fans that have ruined Star Trek by not embracing new ideas and always forcing ST producers to travel down the same road, all for this stupid idea of continuity.

WadeLil · 03-09-2007, 09:19 PM

I look forward to the day STAR TREK starts moving towards the future instead of running to the past.Thats when ill give it another look.

Blake Siefken · 03-09-2007, 10:19 PM

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the hardcore fans will never be pleased because there expectations are always too high

Rex Bachmann · 03-18-2007, 06:20 PM

JonZ wrote:

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It was a mediocre two-part episode.

I disagree. That would be Insurrection. I still think Nemesis is much better than that film.

Unfortunately, that's not saying much. I'll stick with the original poster's assessment, which would make ST: Insurrection a very baaaaaaaad two-part episode.

Christopher DAC wrote (post #76):

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. . . one of the nicest things about Star Trek was that it implied the existence of a huge story universe, of which we the viewers only ever saw small bits. The Enterprise was only one of a dozen ships of her class, all doing the same kind of things, and the patrol-and-expoloration mission of Starfleet was only one of many activities of the Federation, itself one of a number of galactic powers.

In other words, there was plenty of space left in that universe for all kinds of storytelling, and to do the same kind of thing with a totally new show would require the effort of creating a completely new story universe.

All well and good, to be sure, but, it has been, is, and shall remain my contention (as often stated) that neither Paramount nor any of its appointed producers will ever let us see most of those different kinds of stories you may have in mind, especially not on the big screen.

It's rehashed space battles, cheesy romances, or shallow morality plays for mass-audience consumption, despite the diminishing returns.

With all the criticism I've levelled at "neo-Trek" (a.k.a. ST: Voyager and ST: Enterprise) on these boards over the years, some people have asked why I even bother to watch them and, of course, they never seem to get the message that my interest in the world of Star Trek totally transcends my enjoyment, or lack thereof, of any particular series (or movie), a point lost on a generation (or two) that's grown up wanting only to be "entertained" (or titillated) for a few minutes at a time.

Lew Systma (post #75) wrote:

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If you are implying that episodes such as City on the Edge of Forever, Tomorrow is Yesterday, Yesterday's Enterprise, All Good Things etc are cheap/bad episodes, well then there is nothing further to discuss on this point.

Well, no, I'm not a particular fan of any of these you name, except (somewhat) for "Yesterday's Enterprise", but I'm saying---not just implying---that whatever value these episodes had as science-fiction is irreparably compromised by the trivializing time-travel gimmickry that sets up their story situations. (I'll have more to say on that in an upcoming thread.)

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You do not seem to be open to entertaining any possiblity of a restart.
Instead of throwing darts at every idea how about offering up some options/ideas of your own.

My views on this have already been stated clearly and unambiguously elsewhere.

I have a pretty simple formula for these things: "prequel" or "reïmagining" = nothing new or creätive to say about a subject (and, although BSG (2003) has gotten away with its new take on the original, that's mostly because the original was (a) short-lived and (b), to be kind, not very good juvenile kitsch, to begin with).

That having been said, it seems to me that, if the present ST producers are hellbent on following this particular rehash path, the only possible viable way for them to go is, as someone mentioned earlier in the thread, to fulfill the "undocumented" missions of the five-year expedition of the original starship Enterprise.

I don't believe, however, that any actors (nor yet Hollywood "stars") will be able to successfully impersonate the characters with which certain previous players have become indelibly associated (even if they may, in fact, be better actors).