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Re: Star Trek XI- Official now- 12.25.2008 (merged)
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Originally Posted by DavidPla
Wasn't the Box Office for M:I:III considered a bit of a disappointment? I know critically it was the best received but it made the least amount of money both domestically and worldwide than the previous two yet had the higher budget. I think it all had more to do with the decline of Tom Cruise than anything else though.
David,
That quote I posted was taken from Lou Sytsma's article (see above). So, I honestly cannot answer the question. But what you've written sounds reasonable to me. Maybe Lou will have more to share on this.
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Originally Posted by Nelson_Au
It's certainly possible that the general public may say, "Oh, another Star Trek and that pointy eared guy, Nimoy is in it again. maybe I'll wait for DVD". (On a side note, when I bought the first season box set of Star Trek TOS, a women in line behind me commented that when she was little, that Spock guy scared the heck out of her and mashed her finger on Nimoy's picture on the box. The nerve of some people!)
Nelson,
Now see, this would have been a wonderful opportunity for you to have tried out that vulcan death grip (okay, I know it doesn't really exist) on her. Or at the very least, a Romulan autopsy ought to have been performed.
Re: Star Trek XI- Official now- 12.25.2008 (merged)
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Originally Posted by Ockeghem
Nelson,
Now see, this would have been a wonderful opportunity for you to have tried out that vulcan death grip (okay, I know it doesn't really exist) on her. Or at the very least, a Romulan autopsy ought to have been performed.
Re: Star Trek XI- Official now- 12.25.2008 (merged)
There's an interesting excerpt from an interview earlier this year out of the Star Trek magazine with Roberto Orci and Alex Kurtzman posted at Trekmovie.com talking about the genesis of the new Star Trek movie and Shatner.
What I found interesting was the thinking behind going back to TOS and why they chose to focus on the origins of Kirk and Spock. They felt it was the right place to go. They felt TNG had been done in film. And they felt all post TOS series had a "Pilot" episode that introduces the characters and sets-up the series.
TOS never had a pilot that introduced the characters. But then, back in those days, they didn't really do that too often, Well, Gilligan's Island did to set up the show, and often the opening titles usually recaps the set-up of the show. Star Trek had Shatner's opening monologue, Space: The Final Frontier, that sets up the show.
The Shatner comment was about how they would have loved to get him in the movie, but that it's terribly hard to find a reasonable way given Kirk dies in Generations. He also said there's still a year to go before the film opens, so he's leaving a crack of hope that elder Kirk could be in the film.
Naturally, the fanboy posts all focused on ways to get the Shat in the movie or how they want him in the movie, or that he is in the movie and all this denial is a rouse! It would be nice to have Shatner in the movie, I hope they work it out, but I can see the difficulty in the doing it. Maybe the next film can resolve it.
I was more interested in hearing comments on the whole idea they have that this film is like a "pilot" for TOS that TOS never had. It's a cool way to put it. And their way of re-introducing these characters to a new audience. But everyone ignored my comment that I felt the early episodes TOS already sets up these characters and their relationships and how they tick.
The Naked Time showed us the insides of these people; Kirk's love of the Enterprise and Spock not able to show emotion. Balance of Terror still felt like the characters were developing and the relationships were solid there. The Corbomite Maneuver really set up the Kirk/McCoy relationship and how they are friends and later more fleshed out in Balance of Terror.
What do you guys think; This movie is a pilot for Star Trek? We will see them all meet and how they do at Starfleet Academy, is that interesting to you? Knowing Abrams, the movie probably starts with Kirk on the bridge in the middle of a firefight and then disolves back in time to his Academy Days and cheating on the Kobiyashi Maru.
Last edited by Nelson Au : 06-18-2008 at 02:35 PM.
Re: Star Trek XI- Official now- 12.25.2008 (merged)
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Originally Posted by Nelson Au
The Shatner comment was about how they would have loved to get him in the movie, but that it's terribly hard to find a reasonable way given Kirk dies in Generations. He also said there's still a year to go before the film opens, so he's leaving a crack of hope that elder Kirk could be in the film.
Naturally, the fanboy posts all focused on ways to get the Shat in the movie or how they want him in the movie, or that he is in the movie and all this denial is a rouse! It would be nice to have Shatner in the movie, I hope they work it out, but I can see the difficulty in the doing it. Maybe the next film can resolve it.
If Nimoy's appearance as Spock is as book-ends to the main storyline (as it would have to be), then showing Spock watching Kirk being interviewed in a documentary, say as part of an exhibit in the Academy museum or something similar, would be one way. Bit hokey, but given that Kirk is supposed to be dead, how else can they get around that?
Re: Star Trek XI- Official now- 12.25.2008 (merged)
Here's a way to get Shatner's Capt. Kirk in - from my own post #367...
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Originally Posted by Brian D H
Shatner appearance:
The following is speculation, but since some it it is based on spoiler info I'll hide it as a spoiler:
Spoiler:
We've heard that the plot involves Spock traveling back in time to the original series to try to fix the time-line. I'm assuming the the big baddie, Nero, has messed it up to destroy the Federation and Kirk. Obviously Spock will succeed in stopping him. Also it is obvious that his repaired time-line will be similar, but not necessarily identical to, the one we know from Next Gen, DS9, Voyager, etc. This will allow them to deviate from established continuity in future films. It also means that the surprise could be that Kirk is still alive after the events of Generations. I'm assuming that Spock returns to his own time at the end of the movie and is surprised to meet Kirk (who is supposed to be dead).
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Spock, raising an eyebrow: "Aren't you supposed to be dead?"
Kirk, smiling: "Aren't you?"
Spock: "I seem to have failed in restoring the time-line. - Fascinating."
Kirk: "Spock, I'd say you did just fine. Shall we call this one close enough, or would you rather try going back in time until I'm dead?"
Spock, hiding a slight smile: "Your assessment is logical. As you put it, we will have to call this time-line "close enough"."
Roll Credits
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This scene would make it crystal clear that we are now dealing with a brand new continuity. One that is similar to the old one from Next Gen, etc., but "better" in that Kirk is still alive. Obviously this new continuity MUST be similar to the old one because Kirk is the age he would be if he went into the Nexus and lived - so we can assume that Next Gen/DS9/Voyager still happens largely as we have seen them. This should make most everyone happy. The fans have their continuity respected and the studio has some freedom to deviate from it in future movies.
Best of all, this is established with one simple and satisfying cameo without any further exposition or explanations needed. Heck, isn't this what the studio would want? Some cap at the end of the movie that shows that the time-line is restored, but not EXACTLY the way we remember? Wouldn't the best way to establish the slight difference in the time-line be to bring in Shatner? After all, you want people to LIKE the new time-line, and also show that it respects (to a large degree) established continuity.
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Last edited by Brian D H : 06-19-2008 at 12:44 PM.
