Superman Returns Sequel discussion thread - Page 6

Inspector Hammer! · 12-09-2006, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by DavidPla

As much as I enjoyed "Smallville", they should've taken it off the air at least 2 years before the movie premiered. Just my opinion.

Just so the movie would do better at the BO?

Clark wasn't and isn't yet Superman on the show so ending it that early just for the sake of a movie would have blew.

If i'm understanding you right, if not I apologize in advance.

Bryan,
your making the same mistake that too many people make, your judging the show based on your knowledge of past Superman incarnations, don't, it's telling it's own story and creating it's own mythology which is why it is the definitive story of Superman WITHIN THAT PARTICULAR CONTEXT AND CREATED UNIVERSE, not held up to other incarnations for comparison.

All versions of the Superman story are acceptable to me (with maybe the exception of Lois & Clark which turned Supes into a shmaltzy soap opera) as long as they include key characters and they end up where they're supposed to end up, Smallville is on track for that IMO, Clark is getting more mature and has learned most of the key life lessons he'll use as Supes and is about to accept Jor-El's training for his final step, Lex gets more sinister by the week, Lois has finally taken an interest in journalism and Lana will no doubt end up living in Smallville as she's supposed to.

As for Welling's voice, that's why they have voice coaches for actors in movies.

Bryan Ri · 12-09-2006, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Inspector Hammer!

Bryan,
your making the same mistake that too many people make, your judging the show based on your knowledge of past Superman incarnations, don't, it's telling it's own story and creating it's own mythology which is why it is the definitive story of Superman WITHIN THAT PARTICULAR CONTEXT AND CREATED UNIVERSE, not held up to other incarnations for comparison.

All versions of the Superman story are acceptable to me (with maybe the exception of Lois & Clark which turned Supes into a shmaltzy soap opera) as long as they include key characters and they end up where they're supposed to end up, Smallville is on track for that IMO, Clark is getting more mature and has learned most of the key life lessons he'll use as Supes and is about to accept Jor-El's training for his final step, Lex gets more sinister by the week, Lois has finally taken an interest in journalism and Lana will no doubt end up living in Smallville as she's supposed to.

As for Welling's voice, that's why they have voice coaches for actors in movies.

I don't see how this conception of Superman has anything to do with Welling's voice?

I love what he did as Clark Kent in the first few seasons, I love that true heroic aura around Welling in that time.

What I absolutely hate about this incarnation of Superman, is that Metropolis is right down the road from Smallville, and that Lois Lane is involved in Clark's life.

Tim Glover · 12-09-2006, 06:56 PM

Wish I hadn't read the past few pages. I'm about to begin the HD-DVD of Smallville Season 5. I figured Jonathon Kent would die sooner than later...since they certainly flirted with this in Seasons 3 & 4. But Smallville has gone such a different direction than I thought I wasn't so sure.

No one's fault. My eyes just glanced down a bit too far.

Still, I didn't read so far in knowing when it happens.

Carry on.

Inspector Hammer! · 12-09-2006, 07:02 PM

Don't worry, Tim, reading about something and actually seeing it are two different things, it'll still be a rewarding season for you I hope, very emotional.

Norm · 01-19-2007, 07:27 PM

More Villains & Action in Superman Sequel?

http://www.superherohype.com/news.php?id=5100

Scott Calvert · 01-20-2007, 04:02 PM

My sure-fire recipe for a successful Superman Returns sequel:

1) Good, experienced writers who can write sharp, witty dialogue. Not lines like "personally, I think that's a load of crap"

2) Superman needs to speak. He needs dialogue that runs more than five or six words.

3) Superman needs to smile and exhibit charisma. Emotional conflict and angst is good, but there needs to be balance. There must be a cheery, joyful atmosphere so when the emotionally charged scenes arrive they will resonate. Superman Returns just about went over the line on the angst, the movie should not be a depressing experience.

4) The movie needs to move. There needs to be at least three setpieces, one for each act of the film. Each setpiece must be more spectacular and exciting than the one before. Scenes inbetween setpieces must also be energetic.

5) Lay of the Christ allegory. Some of that works, but too much is silly and pretentious.

6) No semi-hip, ironic updating of famous phrases, ie "truth, justice, and all that other stuff"

Follow this template and they will have a monster hit on their hands. Doesn't really matter what the plot is or who the villain is.

WillG · 01-20-2007, 06:01 PM

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No semi-hip, ironic updating of famous phrases, ie "truth, justice, and all that other stuff"

No, that was just a mixture of P.C.ness, international marketing (which I believe was the "official" excuse. Not like they couldn't have redubbed the line for foreign markets), and embarrisment of "the current activities of America" (the real reason)

Brandon_T · 01-20-2007, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by WillG

No, that was just a mixture of P.C.ness, international marketing (which I believe was the "official" excuse. Not like they couldn't have redubbed the line for foreign markets), and embarrisment of Bush's America (the real reason)

How do you know that is the real reason? Was Singer quoted on this? Please be careful with the political references as well.

WillG · 01-20-2007, 06:37 PM

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