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I don't think I have a weak stomach, but this one story depresses the hell out of me.
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Welcome to the grim and gritty world of James Ellroy. The bad guys are evil, and the "good" guys reside in some grey area between morally neutral and absolute corruption. No one visits Ellroyland and leaves unscathed.
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08-11-2006, 03:38 PM
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Welcome to the grim and gritty world of James Ellroy. The bad guys are evil, and the "good" guys reside in some grey area between morally neutral and absolute corruption. No one visits Ellroyland and leaves unscathed.
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Elizabeth Short and her gruesome murder did not spring from Ellroyland. They were quite real.
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08-11-2006, 03:39 PM
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I wonder if DePalma will give the story a "happy" ending like Hansen did "LA Confidential"?
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I think the book has the happiest ending possible. It ain't happy but it could be worse. |
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08-14-2006, 03:17 PM
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Elizabeth Short and her gruesome murder did not spring from Ellroyland. They were quite real.
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Yes, I know that this is a real incident. When you were questioning why you would want to view this story, I was assuming you meant something like, "this is a gruesome story, why does it need to be told?" So, I was just informing you that Ellroy's stuff is all pretty stark and graphic, but extremely well written, especially if you like a lot of compact, snappy dialogue and exposition (sometimes it even takes on a stacatto pace). The catalyst that drives his obsession with the seamy underbelly of society is the unsolved murder of his mother, which occurred when he was quite young (he has also written a non-fiction book about his mother's case).
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08-14-2006, 04:42 PM
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Elizabeth Short was 22 when she was brutally butchered. It is believed she died from hemorrhaging from the bisection cut, but was unconscious at the time. Not much is known for the bizarre mutilations: the ear to ear mouth slash and the pelvic gash. It is known that she had a rare condition that made her vagina unpenetratable as it was "incomplete", so she wasn't anything the tabloids made her to be as a hooker on the prowl. She was very much an enigma in life ... and death.
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08-15-2006, 01:10 AM
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That would make a great mini-series on HBO, so that the story and character developments could play out and the violence could be kept intact.
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I don't know about anyone else but I really don't want to actually see the vile act that was done to this poor woman portrayed on screen...maybe that's just me.
I always suspected that Short's affiliations (social apparently...she liked to live on the wild side....at least all of the documentaries painted her that way) with the mob led to an attempted rape and when the rapist found that she was not physically capable of sex.... It's a very complicated case and not the easiest to write a screenplay for if the "facts" are to be closely adhered to.
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08-15-2006, 01:48 AM
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A couple of new posters can be found here and here.
I quite like the first of these two.
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That would make a great mini-series on HBO, so that the story and character developments could play out and the violence could be kept intact.
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I don't know about anyone else but I really don't want to actually see the vile act that was done to this poor woman portrayed on screen...maybe that's just me.
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You do know that the passage you're quoting wasn't actually talking about The Black Dahlia making a good HBO mini-series. I believe Rob was talking about another Ellroy book, American Tabloid.
In any case, I'm like you. I don't want to see what was done to her portrayed on screen. But (and I say this having never read the book), I don't think we will have to watch that scene. I get the impression that the story is about the reaction that the characters have to the crime. And while we will probably see images of the body afterwards, maybe even brief snatches of the crime's commission, I think (hope) you could probably tell that type of story without actually having any extended portrayal of the crime's commission.
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08-15-2006, 08:27 AM
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2 things come to mind:
1. jack the ripper, visit www.crimelibrary.com for further details on jack AND elizabeth short.
2. if it's going to be true to noir, it shouldn't be gory. classic noir is all about detective, dame, the mystery and how they solve it.
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08-15-2006, 08:33 AM
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I don't want to see what was done to her portrayed on screen. But (and I say this having never read the book), I don't think we will have to watch that scene. I get the impression that the story is about the reaction that the characters have to the crime. And while we will probably see images of the body afterwards, maybe even brief snatches of the crime's commission
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In the novel,
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