[BrettGallman]

Well, from the sounds of things, Barbossa seems to be more interested in his ship than Jack, but yeah, I definately wonder why Jack's crew would trust him. Unless, of course, there's something we don't know yet about Barbossa.

And I thought the Kraken only came if summoned as well, as it attacked other ships even though no one had "the black mark."

[Chris Atkins]

Brett:

We certainly don't ever see the Kraken attack Sparrow just because he has the black mark...in every case, the Kraken attacks because it was summoned by Jones (the first time it attacks might be different, but I can't remember).

Even the last attack, where it attacks the Black Pearl, and eventually takes Sparrow, is predicated on a summons by Jones, et al.

[Josh.C]

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Because Jack has the "black mark" on his palm. The krakken follows the mark. If Davy Jones is killed before he removes the mark, the beast follows Jack forever.

Props to you if you were able to deduct that from the movie's poor job of explaining anything. Here's the problem I have with that. Jack had the black mark for a long time, and was out to sea. The Kraken never bothered him once, until Davy Jones's crew did the wheel thing and called him out. So your reasoning (or the films reasoning) doesn't really hold water. No pun intended

[BrettGallman]

Yep. I took the "black mark" to mean that Jones could somehow track Sparrow, and THEN summon the kraken once he found him.

And another bit of illogical behavior: why would Elizabeth chain Jack to the boat under the impression that the kraken is only coming for Jack, rather than the ship, when it's SHOWN just minutes earlier that Jack could have escpaed the kraken (before he came back). By that logic, the kraken probably would have just attacked the Black Pearl again, and Jack could have gotten away with the others.

[Lynda-Marie]

Rhoq, I beg to differ. Norrington was picked up as a crewman in Tortuga at the same time Elizabeth boarded the Black Pearl. He was NOT present when Jack and Will spoke about the Flying Dutchman, nor when Will boarded the Dutchman.

I guess I will have to lean toward Norrington being shrewd enough to know what was going on, or that maybe he overheard members of the Pearl's crew gossiping about the incident.

The reason it bugged me is because I saw it on Saturday, and wondered how Norrington could possibly have known, then figured maybe I was wrong about the timeframe. I saw it again on Sunday, and sure enough, there was no hint of Norrington aboard the Pearl during the exchange between Jack and Will.

[Dome Vongvises]

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Greg, I don't remember Jack saying anything about the Kraken being the reason, but I'm sure I could have missed it. Since Davy seems to be the one that controls the beast, its hard to understand why it would be an issue to Jack if Davy was dead.

I think he says it right after pointing the sword at Will. Davy dies, no one to call off the beastie.

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2. Having Barbossa come back to life with no explanation (now) is jarring enough; but then using him to create hope for Sparrow is even more jarring. First, why would we think that he would want to rescue Sparrow? Second, why would Sparrow's crew want to follow him anyway?

The only jarring thing about this is that we have to wait for the third film to expalin it. Whether or not it's going to be a good explanation is up in the air.

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3. The voodoo priestess. Who is she? How does Sparrow know her? Where does she live? It looked like the Louisiana bayou, but that would be a long distance to sail from the Caribbean using 17th-18th century naval tech.

Voodoo priestess is plot point. She lives upriver. Sparrow knows her from a previous relationship.

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4. The whole Davey Jones subplot. Again, who is he? How does Sparrow know him? Why does Sparrow have the mark, etc. We are told all this but not shown. Granted, the first film does the same thing with the Black Pearl subplot, this kind of thing is less forgiveable in the second film because the second film should be building on the foundation of the first, using our known history of the characters to build on instead of trying to erect a new foundation (an example in another film is the whole "program" subuniverse first introduced in Matrix Reloaded which--while fascinating--almost completely severed the plot of the second film from the first).

Davy Jones is an asshole er I mean somebody who acts like the devil. What else do you need to know about him? Sparrow knows Davy Jones because well, he's Davy Jones. He's a legend of the seas, and he also raised the Pearl from the depths.

As for the mark, it can be given or taken away by a handshake. But it happens to show up on its own as well (right before they make it to Isla Cruze or whatever the name is).

I was able to follow the movie the first time, but I was also sitting up front right next to front speakers. I've found that on subsequent viewings (where I sat in the middle section of a crappy theater) you can barely hear the dialogue.

I think the mark was a good way to show how Jack is being tracked down. Unfortunately in a haste to show how cool the Kracken is, it really lessens the importance of the mark. Remember, the Kracken followed Jack's hat first. That's one of the few minor points that stills bugs me.

[Rhoq]

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He was NOT present when Jack and Will spoke about the Flying Dutchman, nor when Will boarded the Dutchman.

I think I might have thought it was implied that he was present at the time Will boarded the Dutchman. Thanks for pointing that out though. Now it kind of changes everything.

[Dome Vongvises]

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I guess I will have to lean toward Norrington being shrewd enough to know what was going on, or that maybe he overheard members of the Pearl's crew gossiping about the incident.

The crew was present when Davy blabbered about Jack condemning an innocent man to take his place. It's not a stretch for me to believe that Norrington would find out from the crew. Your mileage may vary however.

[MatthewLouwrens]

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Jack's reason was to call off the Kraken, as he put it.

Kind of weak, really, as the other reasons to have the heart (to release his father from his curse in Will's case, or to command the sea's in the Commadore's case), were far more compelling, at least in my opinion.

I don't know - trying to avoid being eaten by a bloody great big Kraken does seem like a strong motivation for wanting to keep the heart alive for Jack. If any motivation seems weak, it is Norrington - but even there, regaining a lost reputation is pretty important to someone like him.

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We certainly don't ever see the Kraken attack Sparrow just because he has the black mark...in every case, the Kraken attacks because it was summoned by Jones (the first time it attacks might be different, but I can't remember).

There was no sign that the first attack involved a summoning of the Kraken. It seemed to attach the ship simply because they had Jack's hat - which strongly indicates that it was hunting Jack.

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The whole Davey Jones subplot. Again, who is he? How does Sparrow know him? Why does Sparrow have the mark, etc. We are told all this but not shown.

Jack encountered Davy Jones once before, possibly he was on a boat that sank seems the most likely explanation. Jack made a bargain with Jones - make me a captain, and I'll give you my soul in eternal service. The Black Pearl was a boat that was sunk in the past and was summoned up by Jones and provided to Jack as a ship for him to captain. There was a time limit of 13 years, Davy Jones is wanting to collect his debt, Jack doesn't want to let him, so Davy Jones puts the black mark on him so that the Kraken will eat him.

That was my understanding, at least.

[Chris Atkins]

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The only jarring thing about this is that we have to wait for the third film to expalin it. Whether or not it's going to be a good explanation is up in the air.

Right on that point...but it still doesn't create hope at the end of the second f