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Old 11-10-2002, 07:34 PM   #1 of 840
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Expanding Horizons


I thought I'd start his thread in order to share my outlook on some movies I'm viewing for the first time. They will mostly consist of "classics" I'm just finally getting around to watching.

I invite everyone to post their thoughts and ideas on any movies they view for the first time as well. And you don't need to limit yourself to "classics." If all you watch is classics, you would be expanding your horizons by watching Porky's. And feel free to chime in any thoughts or ideas about my, and other's, views. Let's just keep it civil.

I'll start things off the probably the biggest of the big.


Citizen Kane (1941)
directed by Orson Welles

I'm not sure how the arguably "greatest movie ever made" got by me all these years, but it did. And I'm afraid it suffers from too much build-up. I did delight in much of the film's structure, but found the overall experience to be a bit of a let-down. Now before I give you the wrong impression, I did like the movie very much. However, I didn't find it the greatest ever. Now, I understand movies get better with repeat viewing's, and especially this one I've been told, so I'm not writing her off altogether. I intend to give her another viewing. But if first impressions are the most important, I'd probably not purchase this title outright. A good movie, but one that I wouldn't think I'd watch very much.



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Old 11-10-2002, 07:45 PM   #2 of 840
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Notorious (1946)
directed by Alfred Hitchcock

For some reason I can't explain, I haven't seen all that many "Hitchcock's." I haven't come across one that I didn't enjoy quite a bit, and Notorious was no exception. I wouldn't place it near as high on the list as Vertigo and Rear Window, but then again it didn't have the always masterful Jimmy Stewart. However, the movie seemed almost as if it were made for Cary Grant. I'm not a big fan of his, but he seemed perfect for the part. The romance sizzled, and the ending is one of the better I've come across. I'll definitely being seeing more Hitch in the future.
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Old 11-10-2002, 07:51 PM   #3 of 840
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I agree with your thoughts on Citizen Kane exactly. A great movie no doubt, but I thought by no means it was the best ever. Then again, I DO need to watch it more, and I'm sure my evaluation will go up.




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Old 11-10-2002, 10:08 PM   #4 of 840
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I'd probably seen bits and pieces of this film dozens of times while growing up. I'd tried to watch it all the way through at least 4-5 times, especally after it came out on videotape. I hate to admit this, but it never struck me as anything other than boring as hell. I never made it very far in before my brain shut down and I was crying out for something more "interesting".

Then...

I'd guess it was the 50th(?) Anniversary release, when a new and restored print was shown in theaters. I decided I'd give it one last chance. I KNEW it was considered the best film of all time by several critics and people I admire and respect, and I knew the problem was with me, and had nothing to do with the film itself. I figured that if seeing it in the theater didn't do it for me, I'd likely never get it.

Oh. My. God.

Seeing it on the big screen, with no distractions and not having the choice to turn it off the second it became "boring" to me made all the difference in the world. I was engrossed by the characters, story, dialogue and the look of the film. By the time it was over, I fully understood **WHY it's so often listed as (or among) the very best. (Well, maybe not "fully" because I only have dim knowledge of film history and the filmmaking innovations Welles used or perfected).

I always say that no one can fully appreciate how great 2001: A Space Odyssey is if they haven't seen it on the big screen. I now say the same thing about Citizen Kane.

All that said, it's not one of my favorite films, far from it. Movies that become favorites hit me in a very personal way that is specific to that film, and who and where I was when I first saw it (or appreciated it). Understanding why others rate Citizen Kane #1 is very different from rating it #1 (or anywhere at all) on my own personal favorites list.


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A great movie no doubt, but I thought by no means it was the best ever.


My mind doesn't work like that. It doesn't have to be the "best ever" *to me* for me to accept and understand that others find it the best ever.
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Old 11-10-2002, 11:31 PM   #5 of 840
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NETWORK-

I'd always seen clips of the "I'm As Mad As Hell..." sequence, and that always impressed me. I didn't get around to seeing the whole movie, though, until 2001. On a whim, I bought the DVD of it (on that same day, I also bought "Crimes Of Passion" and "Reform School Girls"...aren't I versatile?). I saw all of "Network" (letterboxed, of course), and my God, the script was amazing. The performances were brilliant, but it's all in the script. Some people have described "Network" as a collection of monologues, but I must say, if that's true, then it's a hell of a compendium. Every word from first to last is rich as gold and beautiful as a Picasso. My hats off to Paddy Chayefsky and Peter Finch...may they rest in peace. The movie is solid as a rock, and the Academy Of Motion Picture Arts & Sciences made a poor decision in the choosing of "Rocky" as Best Picture of 1976. If we base movies, though, on their words and not their looks, then Howard Beale got Rocky Balboa on a TKO.



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Old 11-10-2002, 11:52 PM   #6 of 840
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Regarding Citizen Kane:

It really does get better with repeat viewings. I also recommend listening to Roger Ebert's commentary on the DVD - it should prove enlightening.

As far as seeing more Hitchcock, I've got quite a few of his films on DVD so you'll have to check 'em out. Frenzy, The 39 Steps, and Shadow of a Doubt are all top-notch.

It's a shame that there are still some excellent Hitch films still unaccounted for on DVD.



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Old 11-11-2002, 12:16 AM   #7 of 840
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My mind doesn't work like that. It doesn't have to be the "best ever" *to me* for me to accept and understand that others find it the best ever.


Neither does mine. I was just stating my opinion, but I can see why others regard it so highly.




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Old 11-11-2002, 12:21 AM   #8 of 840
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I'll start with some non mainstream fare and work my way to better known things.
Three Colors: Blue

During the Fall semester of my Senior year, I had the opportunity to take an Introductory Film class. It would be my very first foray into taking film as an extremely serious hobby.

I got to watch some old favorites such as Se7en, The Matrix, Psycho, and Forrest Gump. I was also exposed to new and delightful films such as Madadayo, Cinema Paradiso, and Rio Bravo. On my own free time, I took it upon myself to watch Frederico Fellini's 8 1/2, three Kurosawa classics Yojimbo, Sanjuro, and The Hidden Fortress. I also got to see Andrei Rublev a really, really slow-moving but nevertheless compelling look at a Russian icon painter's observations of life. I also got to see two great Ingmar Bergman films Wild Strawberries and The Seventh Seal.

Which brings me to Three Colors: Blue. I bring this film up because I researched much of its history to find that many film critics hold it in very high regard. I can't say I was excited to watch this because I've always heard how pretentious and boring French films can be. But nonetheless I wanted to see my first French film ever and overcoming my prejudices.

I should've stuck to my instincts. Blue was quite possibly one of the worst movies I've ever seen. The last time I'd this hard was Batman and Robin. It isn't until Amelie and The Vanishing that I thought French films had redeemed themselves in my eyes.

There are several things I thought were plenty stupid with Blue. The first one is Julie's character. I don't think I've ever seen somebody so stupid as she is, no wait, that Joe guy from Midnight Cowboy comes pretty close. Needless to say, stupid people piss me off in movies.

Second, the movie is god-awful boring. It seemed like it took forever for the narrative to advance. Every character seemed utterly devoid of life. Everybody's distraught. Everybody's having an affair. Blah blah blah.....

Third, and the biggest strike, the pretentious nature of the blue fadeouts among other things. Our whole class spent three good class periods trying to the whole deal behind it. We all came to the conclusion it was simply artsy fartsy crap that added no dramatic weight or narrative revelance to the already boring story at hand. Let's not forget the whole fishtank sex at the end of the movie. So much for Julie's freedom.

Overall Score: D

Federico Fellini's 8 1/2

The college library received a copy of Criterion's edition of one of Fellini's masterpieces.

I'll get straight to the point with no setup: I liked this film quite a bit.

Everything positive that's been said about this film is true. It's a film within a film, it's a reflection of Fellini's own struggles, it's just huge a smorgashborg of things so confusing that somehow it all makes sense towards the end.

I thought the way the sequences played out were wonderful. You really couldn't tell whether you're watching the actual film, or the film within a film, Guido's own imagination, or simply flashbacks to an earlier time. The transitions are extraordinarily seamless which adds to the overall confusion in the audience. Is he imagining this? Or is he playing out the characters in his mind whom he wishes to audition? It's amazing the amount of discussion this film can ellicit.

I highly recommend this film to anybody interested in their first exposure to Fellini.

Movie Score: B
Film Score: A-
Overall Score: B+

I'll chime in with more thoughts on other firsts.



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Old 11-11-2002, 01:13 AM   #9 of 840
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Dome, I beg to differ with you on Blue. I found it quite compelling. A bit too stylized perhaps, but very good. And I'm puzzled as to why you think Julie is a stupid character. Care to elaborate?



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Old 11-11-2002, 03:23 AM   #10 of 840
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I'm glad to see the positive feedback here. One of the many great things this can accomplish, is that it will hopefully turn members on to some really great stuff they might otherwise overlook. I'm heading over to netflix now to add Network and 8 1/2.

As far as the three colors trilogy goes, I've heard way too much on them not to give them a try. And as I'm sure SteveGon has made known, they are coming to DVD next year.



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