Batman Begins' sequel: The Dark Knight (Merged) - Page 7

Jake Yenor · 10-19-2005, 06:58 PM

1. Batman Begins
2. X2
3. Spider-Man 2
4. Batman
5. X-Men

James T · 10-19-2005, 09:13 PM

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I like my superheroes dark.

The Crow too dark for you?

My list includes;

Batman Begins
The Crow
Superman: The movie
Spider-man
X-men
Batman: Mask of the Phantasm/Return of the Joker

DavidPla · 10-20-2005, 12:37 AM

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The Crow too dark for you?

Forgot about "The Crow". Also, for comic book movie based on original material "Unbreakable".

Ocean Phoenix · 10-20-2005, 01:12 AM

I don't think anything will ever top X2 for me. I think a lot of people forgot about it when Spider-Man 2 came out because they were so overwhelmed by how much more serious and different it was from other comic book movies, but I would not let its uniqueness blind me to the fact that it is inferior to X2 (although I WAS impressed by how original it was). My problem with Spider-Man 2 is that it had some dialogue-heavy dead spots (not that I have no patience for dialogue, as evidenced by the fact that Before Sunrise is one of my favourite films), which caused the movie to drag a little for me. I think X2 is still better because it had just the right balance of dialogue and action, never stopping too long for dialogue-heavy scenes too much, and making sure that when they did, what was said never got boring.

Batman Begins , on the other hand, had the problem of having better dialogue-heavy scenes than actions scenes. I just can't get over how annoying the quick-cutting in the action scenes was (even after its purpose was explained to me, I still don't agree with it), I still don't like the Batmobile and felt that the scene with it went on too long just to show it off, and Bale was a little over-the-top as Batman. So while Batman Begins and Spider-Man 2 are both great movies, I still think they're both a distant second to X2.

Qui-Gon John · 10-20-2005, 01:57 AM

Just saw the first one, (Batman Begins). I liked it, although, as others mention, some of the things could have been better. The editing on the actions scenes, also had a bit of trouble catching some of the dialog, (due to volume of voice, dialect, etc.) Still a pretty good take on Batman, looking forward to a sequel.

Pete-D · 10-20-2005, 03:50 AM

If you watch the DVD, you'll see that the fight cheoreographers used a relatively new type of martial arts combat (the name escapes me at the moment) which relies heavily on in-close fighting.

Christopher Nolan wanted to get away from the "ballet" style fight scenes and wire work.

So I think it is important to point out though the style of fight scenes in Batman Begins is very much intended to be the way it was.

Cory S. · 10-20-2005, 10:20 AM

The fighting style is called KFM for short...but I think the long name is Keysi fighting style created by two stunt guys over the past 20 years. It's very high impact and close range fighting using alot of elbow blows.

TheLongshot · 10-20-2005, 10:55 AM

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I don't think anything will ever top X2 for me. I think a lot of people forgot about it when Spider-Man 2 came out because they were so overwhelmed by how much more serious and different it was from other comic book movies, but I would not let its uniqueness blind me to the fact that it is inferior to X2 (although I WAS impressed by how original it was). My problem with Spider-Man 2 is that it had some dialogue-heavy dead spots (not that I have no patience for dialogue, as evidenced by the fact that Before Sunrise is one of my favourite films), which caused the movie to drag a little for me. I think X2 is still better because it had just the right balance of dialogue and action, never stopping too long for dialogue-heavy scenes too much, and making sure that when they did, what was said never got boring.

Spidey 2 gets rated lower because there are too many whack you over the head moments. Yes, I know Peter is having bad stuff happening in his personal life. Yes, I know Harry hates Spider-Man. It all gets laid on a bit too thick for my tastes.

To be honest, BB is about as well as you can do an origin story, which is why it rates higher than the first Spidey, which was my high water mark as origin stories go.

Jason

Joe D · 10-20-2005, 12:05 PM

No love for Sin City on any of these lists?

I haven't seen the movie (waiting for the Super Duper DVD) but it looks cool.

My list:

1. Batman Begins
2. X2
3. Superman
4. X-Men
5. Batman

I thought Spiderman 1 was a mess, and because of it I never got around to watching Spiderman 2.

Holadem · 10-20-2005, 12:13 PM

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If you watch the DVD, you'll see that the fight cheoreographers used a relatively new type of martial arts combat (the name escapes me at the moment) which relies heavily on in-close fighting.

Christopher Nolan wanted to get away from the "ballet" style fight scenes and wire work.

So I think it is important to point out though the style of fight scenes in Batman Begins is very much intended to be the way it was.

Perhaps, but that's irrelevant to the chief complaint, i.e. how the fights were flimed.

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Chuck Mayer · 10-20-2005, 12:28 PM

flimed????

FLIMED???

Just teasing you, Holadem. They addressed the filming...they wanted it seen from the criminal's perspective. That won't make you like it anymore, but there is a reason.

Take care,
Chuck

Holadem · 10-20-2005, 12:49 PM

I will resort to my standard excuse: English is not my first language, it's my fourth