Grindhouse - New Tarantino/Rodriguez film announced.. - Page 9

Joe Karlosi · 04-23-2007, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Ronald Epstein

Your reply doesn't make sense. I have already seen the movie
straight through the FIRST time, so how am I going to miss anything
the second time if I choose t skip over over-lengthy dialogue that
I have heard already?

Sometimes giving something another shot helps. Maybe the dialogue will click better next time, perhaps you'll catch things you might have missed. It's like buying a new record album and hearing all the songs one time and then always subsequently skipping over the tunes which didn't grab you the first time. I know I've come to really like songs with repeated listens which didn't "sing" to me the first time.

Other than that, it's just my opinion that when a person watches a film, they should experience the whole thing, even the second or third times. Otherwise it's not watching the movie per se, but just picking "moments" to highlight.

Joe Karlosi · 04-23-2007, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve Christou

Not really the same thing Jason, for instance how many times have I chatted with friends while a DVD was on or leaving the room to make tea without pausing the DVD, missing entire scenes, blasphemous? No way, not if it's a film you're familiar with and seen a few times already.

I agree with Jason, it's the same thing. Of course, everyone is entitled to his own opinion. It's not as "essential" as the very first time you're supposed to be really studying a new film, but leaving the room or being on the computer at the same time, or being somehow otherwise engaged is not actually "experiencing" the movie. Sure, you already know what's going to happen anyway when it's a film you've already seen... but to me, it is a real requirement of mine to watch the film and be aware of it and into it, whether it's the first or fifth time.

Ronald Epstein · 04-23-2007, 05:42 PM

....and the point is, I have watched the film in its entirety the
first time.

Why is it a sin to watch it any way I wish for future viewings?

Joe Karlosi · 04-23-2007, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Ronald Epstein

....and the point is, I have watched the film in its entirety the
first time.

Why is it a sin to watch it any way I wish for future viewings?

I understand your point that you've seen it in its entirety already so you didn't miss anything (though I believe one may always see or hear new things on subsequent viewings), you may pick up on things you missed before, or perhaps now that you're more familiar with the girls after once seeing DEATH PROOF, their earlier chatting may better reflect their personalities for you. Maybe not, too... but maybe. I didn't care for the talking either the first time and I'm hoping I may appreciate it more with having watched the film once and knowing what's in store for the characters later.

But a "sin"? Not literally, of course! I personally don't see it as proper film watching "etiquette", if you will, but that's me (and some others) . You can do anything you want, even have no sound or watch it backwards.... I'm just sayin'.

Joe Karlosi · 04-23-2007, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve Christou

And stopping or walking out of a film because you didn't like it? How big of a no-no is that in your book Jason? Oh come of it already. Are you saying if you rented a film and got bored of it half way you wouldn't dare switch it off or turn away because it's breaking some unwritten law of movie watching? You'll somehow feel ashamed or couldn't face your friends if you didn't sit thru all of Wild Hogs, including the end credits? [shakes head]

I think what we have here is a bad case of Tarantinoism, people so fanatical about Tarantino they've practically deified the gobby movie nerd, that it doesn't matter how rubbish some of his dialogue is (and a lot of it is) if Tarantino wrote it, it's sacred. Right?

VERY Wrong. This goes for ALL movies for me. You cannot ever claim a movie was "good", "bad" or "indifferent" without seeing the entire thing. In my life I've walked out of a couple of movies, but therefore I don't really "know" how I felt about the whole thing, and I won't make a judgment on it as a complete piece of work.

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p.s. I've watched From Dusk Till Dawn a few times, but I've only watched the first half once or twice [cue Jason spitting at the screen].

Then you haven't experienced the film as it was intended on those later viewings, you just watched highlights.

Now try to imagine those horror people who may have shut the film off well before it got to the vampire stuff, and may have not know they were missing some crazy action they would have liked, because the first half was "too slow" or "just a drama".. Personally, I'm not a fan of FROM DUSK TILL DAWN at all.... But then again, I am qualified to make a judgment because I've seen the whole thing.

Steve Christou · 04-23-2007, 06:23 PM

Joe, do you have friends come over and watch films with you? Do you 'shoosh' them if they say something during the film? You put Die Hard on for the umpteenth time and just sit there in silence with your mates?

I can't imagine not talking to my friends while a film is on, maybe talk trivia about the film etc but if it's a first watch than we're usually concentrating on the film, unless it's boring the crap out of us than we'll simply ignore it or stop it.

My Sandra can't stop yapping during a film, especially if it's a film that doesn't engage her. It'll be interesting to see her reaction to Grindhouse. She loved Pulp Fiction so she might like the dialogue more than the action.

There are favorite films of mine that I make sure I watch alone and wouldn't dream of skipping chapters or have any interruptions e.g. Ben-Hur, 2001, Casablanca, Lawrence of Arabia etc

Joe Karlosi · 04-23-2007, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve Christou

Joe, do you have friends come over and watch films with you? Do you 'shoosh' them if they say something during the film? You put Die Hard on for the umpteenth time and just sit there in silence with your mates?

I do get together with friends regularly and generally we take our films very seriously, but it pretty much depends on the film we're watching. If none of us has seen it before, we'll never talk during it so we can really focus on it.

Okay, sometimes we'll talk a little during familiar movies we've seen and we'll make observations or point out details to each other, sure. But it's never anything more than a sentence here or there and it's done during a quiet bit of business without dialogue, but nothing extreme. We don't skip scenes.

AaronMan · 04-23-2007, 06:48 PM

Wow, Joe is getting raked over the coals here.

He just made a suggestion, and was trying to make a point that people may notice things they hadn't noticed on their first viewing. Some of you are acting like he's holding a gun to your heads, forcing you to watch movies like he does. He just said he doesn't care how you watch movies, even if you watch them backwards.

Steve Christou · 04-23-2007, 07:07 PM

Joe's alright it's Jason who suggested we were breaking some arcane rule here, equating fast forwarding thru a boring film with supporting pan/scan [rolls eyes] as if every film, no matter how bad, is deserving of respect and film fans should watch every scene every frame, no chance.

There are far more bad films than good out there, how many times I've been dragged to the cinema to see some crappy new horror flick, seeing people walk out half way and really wished I was doing the same, but sometimes sacrifices have to be made!

Joe Karlosi · 04-23-2007, 07:17 PM

Steve, I hope you still think I'm alright, because I agree with Jason! You have to see a film through in order to make a conclusion that people would take seriously, IMO. You can walk out of a movie 45 minutes into it, but then as far as I'm concerned your opinion of the film as a whole is irrelevant, as you're only remarking about what you stayed for up to that point.

Fast forwarding through a film is something non-film fans do, IMO.

Steve Christou · 04-23-2007, 07:34 PM