Zack Gibbs

Re: Die Hard 4 in the works.

Yes, although I don't agree with the PG-13 decision I do understand where the studio is coming from.

It makes me realize that while I'm angry with Fox for not having the balls to let McClane keep his own testicles, in part I'm also angry with the general public for being the bunch of moronic pussies that are causing the decline of adult cinema in the first place.

Malcolm R

Re: Die Hard 4 in the works.

You disagree with the MPAA's rating decision?

People seem to keep missing the point that apparently the creators/producers had NO MANDATE FROM FOX TO SHOOT FOR PG-13. They shot the script they had written and the resulting film was rated PG-13 by the MPAA.

Are they supposed to go back and loop in a bunch of swearing that wasn't deemed necessary just to get an "R"?

Mark Hawley

Re: Die Hard 4 in the works.

I don't believe that for a second.

Edwin-S

Re: Die Hard 4 in the works.

How do you figure that this fourth installment is targetted at the same audience as SAW, etc? I'm interested in this fourth installment and I have zero desire to watch shit like SAW or Hostel. I'm sure there are lots of other people out there that feel the same way.

Also I don't get your reasoning in regards to an action film being rated PG-13 while a gorefest gets rated R. Maybe the ratings board didn't see anything in the cut of LForDH that warranted an R rating while the same couldn't be said of any of the horror pictures that you have used as examples.

Anyway, it seems that neither the producing studio nor the filmmakers shot for a PG-13 rating. The MPAA, in all its wisdom, assigned that rating based on whatever criteria they have in place.

On another subject. This seeming need to include the phrase "yipee-ki-yi motherfucker" in every installment is bad. In the first film it made sense because it grew out of the character's requirement to get under the skin of his opponent. It also grew, naturally, out of the exchange about cowboys that took place between Gruber and McClane. Making it an obligatory catchphrase that has to be said because fans are expecting it is a bad reason to include it in every other film. The phrase, without some contextual meaning, just becomes some enforced cliche. In fact, the really daring act would be to not include it at all in this film.

Zack Gibbs

Re: Die Hard 4 in the works.

I'm not sure where you're getting this impression. It's been confirmed that the studio dictated the movie would be rated PG-13 early on in production. All this talk of them "shooting for an R rating" is technically true, I'm sure they've been planning the R-rated DVD for some time. They also shot for a PG-13 knowing full well that would be released in theaters.

DavidPla

Re: Die Hard 4 in the works.

I believe it was Bruce Willis himself who said that they shot the script as written and they received a PG-13. He mentioned that if the first "Die Hard" were released today, it probably would've been rated PG-13 with maybe the Takagi death a little less gory.

Malcolm R

Re: Die Hard 4 in the works.

Yep.

I'm not sure where you're getting this impression. I've never heard of it until now.

Mark Hawley

Re: Die Hard 4 in the works.

Bruce Willis brought it up in the Vanity Fair article:


http://www.aintitcool.com/node/32511/


"I really wanted this one to live up to the promise of the first one, which I always thought was the only really good one. That's a studio decision that is becoming more and more common, because they're trying to reach a broader audience. It seems almost a courageous move to give a picture an R rating these days. But we still made a pretty hardcore, smashmouth film."

Inspector Hammer!

Re: Die Hard 4 in the works.

What i'm saying is that teens undeniably love horror films and they also love action films, the same audience that sees those R rated horror films is the same as the audience that will go see LFoDH, that's all.

If they go see blood and guts torture films like those that are rated R, and they do do well enough to warrent countless sequels so people are going to see them, than I see no reason to give LFoDH an R when all it would have had was more shootout-related bloodshed and some swear words.

"There was that time I wanted to be an astronaut.
I wanted to be the first one to kill somebody on the moon."

PeterTHX

Re: Die Hard 4 in the works.

The interrupted office workers sex?
The f-bombs?
The other terrorist shootings?

No, "Die Hard" would still be an 'R'.
"Die Hard 2" borders on 'NC-17'!
"With a Vengeance" is an 'R' for most of the same reasons as the first, minus the sex and add Sam Jackson's constant f-bombs.

Zack Gibbs

Re: Die Hard 4 in the works.

Just the idea that people in this thread think they shot for an R and the MPAA just happened to give them a PG-13 is dumbfounding to me. We've been discussing the rating for two months now since the Vanity Fair article broke the news. Two months ago the movie wasn't even finished, the MPAA hadn't anything to do with it and likely hadn't seen a single frame. Studios and directors and editors aren't this naive, they know damn well when they strategically place the use of the word "fuck" what rating they're aiming for.

Sigh,

Anyways, Inspector Hammer, you seem to be confusing the audiences for these movies. An action flick like DH4 is aimed at a much larger audience than Hostel or Saw. They might be the same ages but theres more to it than just age. As said before those horror movies are very inexpensive to make (compared to DH) and therefore considered to be successful with much smaller grosses at the box office. Die Hard 4 could make twice what any one of those films made and would still be considered a large failure.