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05-11-2007, 09:52 AM
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Re: Die Hard 4 in the works.
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Judging from the previews, it looks like they are substituting vehicular mayhem in place of the gore and hoping we won't care or notice. And its not even going to be real car smashing--all the flipping cars and stuff look computer generated. LAME! I guess I've been spoiled after seeing Death Proof's beautiful stunt work.
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Gore? Yeah, there's violent moments in the Die Hard movies but they're not exactly Dawn Of The Dead.
And there's no comparison between the car chases/crashes in Death Proof and what this movie will have. I'm not saying one is better than the other but the stunts that each do are very different. Death Proof did a realistic chase and crashes while Die Hard is just off the wall. |
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05-11-2007, 10:06 AM
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Re: Die Hard 4 in the works.
Yeah, not sure I would classify the violence in the DH films as gore, just a lot of blood and suggestion, like when Major Grant got sucked into the engine of the plane, never saw him get shredded but we heard crunching sounds and saw lots of blood.
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05-11-2007, 11:56 AM
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Re: Die Hard 4 in the works.
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Judging from the previews, it looks like they are substituting vehicular mayhem in place of the gore and hoping we won't care or notice. And its not even going to be real car smashing--all the flipping cars and stuff look computer generated. LAME! I guess I've been spoiled after seeing Death Proof's beautiful stunt work.
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Well, Bruce Willis stated over in the TBs that the majority of the stunts were done practically, not CGI, and certainly I know they probably worked on the car flip bit for safety reasons (but it was still pretty cool...), and why would Bruno lie to us?
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05-11-2007, 12:00 PM
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Re: Die Hard 4 in the works.
That shot does look very CGI but IMO it doesn't need to, they could have performed the stunt practically by using an air mortor to launch the car into the air into the other cars, filmed Bruce and Justin as a seperate green screen element and then digitally composited them into the shot.
That way both Bruce and Justin could be real along with the flipping car and the only effect is the compositing, which in this day and age you can't even tell any compositing has been done.
That would have been a better way to execute that shot IMO.
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I wanted to be the first one to kill somebody on the moon."
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05-12-2007, 01:44 AM
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Re: Die Hard 4 in the works.
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That would have been a better way to execute that shot IMO.
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Yeah, assuming the car when launched does *exactly* what you intended it to do. Usually a director will want a couple takes anyway to be sure. A $30,000+ car, rigging, compositing...it may actually have been cheaper to do it CGI now, especially since it wasn't something like ILM flipping the SS Poseidon. You farm out the shot to a FX house who bids on it and go from there. |
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05-12-2007, 02:12 AM
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Re: Die Hard 4 in the works.
This trailer was shown before "28 Weeks Later" and generated a TON of heckles. The car bit was part of it, but all the action sequences they showed just came across as very hokey.
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05-12-2007, 07:22 AM
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Re: Die Hard 4 in the works.
With a competant stunt team i'm sure they could have effectively planned where they wanted the car to go and they could have pulled it off, more complex practical stunts have been pulled off in Hollywood than that one, but you are right in that it would most likely be cheaper to go with CGI, I was merely stating how that shot could have been done to look more realistic.
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05-12-2007, 01:12 PM
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Re: Die Hard 4 in the works.
I knew people would call me out for using the term "gore". Did you guys remember him pulling the shards of glass out of his feet? Anyone remember the super slow motion shots of the bad guys getting shot up in Die Hard 2? I mean come on, it looked like that scene in RoboCop when ED-209 blew away that executive in the board room. Nothing suggestive about those scenes, lots of clothes and bodies being riddled with bullets all shown on screen. Blood was splattering everywhere. Or how about the best shot in Die Hard 2? The icicle in the eyeball? That was on screen too. Shots like this won't be in the Mickey Mouse version of Die Hard 4.
Duh! Of course your not going to see someone's intestines being pulled out in a Die Hard movie. But there was a serious amount of bloody gunshot wounds that Verhoeven and Peckinpah would be proud of.
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05-12-2007, 01:56 PM
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Re: Die Hard 4 in the works.
I don't know, I still don't know if i'd call it gore, i'd call it more like excessive bloodshed.
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05-12-2007, 03:20 PM
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Re: Die Hard 4 in the works.
Whatever you call(gore) it doesn't matter . The point is you could remove all the language from the other Die Hards and they would still garner an R rating due to the violence. Even though the more graphic scenes are used sparingly (and more effectively).
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05-12-2007, 03:28 PM
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Re: Die Hard 4 in the works.
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Whatever you call(gore) it doesn't matter . The point is you could remove all the language from the other Die Hards and they would still garner an R rating due to the violence. Even though the more graphic scenes are used sparingly (and more effectively).
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Offhand, the only two moments in the first movie that would probably have to be edited would be the exploding kneecaps and Takagi getting killed. I think the rest would probably fall under a PG-13 nowadays. Even pulling the glass out of his feet wasn't really that graphic- it was just the idea that was so painful.
Die Hard 2 would definitely be harder- it was much more bloody (especially the squibs).
Haven't seen Die Hard 3 in a while but the elevator scene would absolutely have to go. Don't know about the rest. |
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