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Old 01-09-2005, 09:09 PM   #1 of 29
Joseph DeMartino
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B5 Feature Film: Save the Original Cast!


A Call to Arms

Some of you may have heard the recent rumors about the upcoming B5 feature film, “The Memory of Shadow” – how the money people are talking about recasting many of the roles from the original series with “name” actors,

I am here to tell you that this rumor is true and that unless the powers that be are convinced that tinkering with the cast will hurt them in the pocketbook, they will do what they want to do, without regard to JMS’s wish or ours. The only people in a position to convince them that there’s money on the line are US.

WE are the ones who watched the show in great enough numbers to keep it on the air for 5 years. WE are the ones who made the reruns and B5 S5 such a success on TNT that they spent millions of dollars on two extra TV movies and a half season of Crusade before they pulled the plug on that show for reasons of network politics as much as anything else. WE are the ones who lobbied and wheedled and threatened until a very skeptical Warner Bros. finally released the series, the movies and ultimately Crusade on DVD – and then bought the DVDs in such numbers that the studio decided to make this feature film in the first place.

WE are the ones who will provide the all-important opening weekend opening box office and the initial word-of-mouth. It is perfectly true that a feature film like this can’t succeed if only the hardcore fans go to see it. It will have to attract non-fans, folks who have never even heard of the series. But if WE don’t make sure the film “opens” it won’t stay in theaters long enough for non-fans to discover the film. If WE don’t provide the positive word-of-mouth the film won’t succeed.

I’ve heard that some fans don’t believe the rumor, that recasting the roles seems so obviously stupid and counter-productive that they don’t think Warner Bros. would ever do such a thing. I was skeptical myself when I first plugged into the ‘net after an absence of several month (hurricanes are such a bother) But I’ve since checked with a few individuals whom I trust implicitly and who are in a position to know about such things. They assure me the rumors are true. The studio is pressing for this, and since they write the checks, there isn’t a lot the production office can do about it.

I’ve also heard that other fans are so upset about the reported story line or indications that a given actor or character may not be in the film that they’re not interested in the project at all. Big mistake. Some have even suggested that the story line and the cast changes are part and parcel of the same thing – that the studio dictated a story that prominently featured new characters and reduced the old ones to cameos that could be cast with “name” actors as part of some deep, dark plot to remake B5 in some new image of their choosing.

Wrong

I don’t know the story line for the new film. But I DO know that it is the story that JMS chose to pitch to the studio for the first B5 film.

Did I just say “First B5 film”?

Yes, I did.

Everybody wants this film to succeed. If it succeeds, WB will want a sequel, the studios always do. If they do a sequel JMS can do a story that uses the original characters more. Everybody signing up to do the sequel to a successful movie will get a bigger payday than they did on the first. Maybe it makes more sense to do something that ties up some of the threads from Crusade and Rangers in movie #1, with the original cast in supporting roles. Then do the Teep War or some other story in movie #2. But this only works if the original cast plays the original characters in movie #1.

And that’s where you all come in. We need you to write letters – real, snail-mail, printed and hand-signed letters, to get the attention of the folks holding the purse strings. We need to remind them that ultimately we, too, hold the purse strings. We buy the tickets at the box office.

An ad hoc committee of fans has been working on ways to get the studio’s attention, including press releases and getting stories into the mainstream press. You can help by participating in a letter writing campaign with a bit of a gimmick to help it stand out from similar campaigns. Go to www.keepb5alive.com. Download one of the “B5 Bucks” designs on the site. Print them out, cut them out, and include them with your letter. We’ve also provided form letters that you can hand-write your own address and comments on, but I have to tell you – the studios pay a lot more attention to individuals who took the time to compose a letter of their own than those who merely signed a form letter that somebody else wrote. Just don’t forget to include the “ B5 Bucks” whichever you do.

This may seem like a silly gimmick. So were the Budweiser frogs. Silly gimmicks are memorable, they get attention. They WORK. So can this if Warner Bros. gets socked with thousands and thousands of letters containing these novelty items. And that’s the key – make them realize that this isn’t an issue that concerns only a few fanatical fans of particular actors but something the vast majority of the fan community cares deeply about and that we will have to consider whether or not the B5 movie WB eventually puts in theaters is really B5 or some pale imitation that we, as loyal fans, can and will rightly ignore. Go to the site, download the materials, join the fight. The casting decisions are being made right now The countdown to the start of shooting has begun. The window during which we can make our voices heard is closing, but it hasn’t closed yet. Don’t let it close until you’ve added your voice to the chorus.

Print out a letter, preferably one you’ve written yourself, today. Sign it, add a hand-written note and your address if necessary. Print out an envelope, stuff it, with some B5 Bucks, seal it, put it on the counter with your car keys. Make sure you mail it tomorrow.

We’ve been here before folks. Our backs against the wall, no chance in hell of getting what we want. We’ve been here every single season, we were here at the end of S4 most of all. We were here trying to get the show released on some form of home video and ultimately on DVD. We were here trying to get a feature film off the ground at all. We’ve always tried to do the impossible and we’ve always been told that we never could. (One SF entertainment news web site won’t run a story on this controversy because they haven’t seen an official announcement of the film from WB and they don’t believe that anybody is ever going to make a feature film based on a “little” cult show like B5)

We’ve always succeeded in the long run.

Faith manages.

Start writing.

Joe


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Old 01-10-2005, 01:09 AM   #2 of 29
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I have not read a more articulate letter on any issue relating to what we all love, since DIVX.

As I recall, the masses had something to do with killing that.

I'm in. Well done, Joseph. You have long been a standard-bearer for this franchise...keep it up!


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Old 01-10-2005, 05:08 AM   #3 of 29
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Sad news to hear. As noted at the link attached above, JMS has offered a "no comment" on this issue, but his comment is quite interesting nonetheless.
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From: jmsatb5@aol.com (jms at b5)
Subject: Re: Danger folks.. Warner Bros is screwing with TMOS Casting..
To: rec.arts.sf.tv.babylon5.moderated
Date: 12/17/2004 7:52:35 PM

I would like to be able to comment on this, but for the time being I am not
able to do so.

jms
From JMS News

Speaking as someone that has become a recent fan thanks to the DVDs, this would be a big mistake. Star Trek did well carrying on the films with the original cast. And in a case like this, where the story (I presume) follows directly on from the continuity of the series - rather than just a film adaptation of the general concept of the original show like most films-from-TV - it makes sense to retain the original cast. Sure, try to get a few bigger names to fill in new roles. Hell, if JMS wants to have the film focus on new characters that can be played by big stars, in order to make the film more commercial, that's fine with me, and I am excited by this project. But to chage the actors that we have come to know and love over five seasons of incredible television would truly be a big mistake.



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Old 01-10-2005, 07:18 AM   #4 of 29
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This sounds intolerable. I can't imagine Warner would be so stupid.

I will, of course, join the letter-writing campaign. I just hope it is enough.


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Old 01-10-2005, 10:09 AM   #5 of 29
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Sadly, the studio *doesn't care* what we think about the casting.

We, the Babylon 5 fans, are what politicans call the "core voter"; in this case, obviously, the core audience. What does that mean? It means we're gonna show up pretty much regardless; fans rarely skip the projects they're fans of. This is the reason Trek has been in such a sad shape for so so so many years; the core fans show up each time no matter how bad it's been.

It doesn't *matter* if you didn't like the movie. It doesn't *matter* if you think it will be bad, or if you hated it, or if the film was stupid. People have been bitching about Trek for over a *decade*, but they still kept going until Nemesis. And even then, for Nemesis, the core fans STILL showed up. Star Wars has been lamblasted like few other films (genre or not) have ever been, and it doesn't matter because everyone who's bitching paid for tickets!

If you go see it, you're voting for it. Money is all that talks. Folks sometimes say "but how will you know if you don't go". If you're not sure about a film, you should wait for one of several alternate venues before voting. Catch it in a dollar theater or wait for cable broadcast. But buying a first-release ticket or a DVD simply means you liked it. No matter what you said, you already voted with your dollars.

So, bottom line, on the B5 movie, they're going to make changes as they like to try and attract non-core-audience members to the flick. Why? Because those of us who are core will have a hard time not going, and since we're going anyway, they can safely futz with the property to a large extent in an effort to entice non-core.

Having said all that, this is the first I'm hearing about such a rumor related to a B5 movie. I won't rule out seeing it even with a new cast; there are many fine actors who could step into these roles. I have great attachments to the B5 actors, and would be rather upset if they recast G'kar or Londo (for example). But unless they cast actors I strongly disagree with, I won't say it's a bad thing as far as making it a good movie. Trailers will be what I look at.

I have to admit though, I can't envision anyone else as Londor or G'Kar. Most of the rest of the roles I can see someone moving into, but Katsulus and Jurassik personified their characters so wonderfully it'd be tough to watch someone else fill their shoes.

(ps: Trek Fans, let it die. Stop going, stop watching. Get rid of Berman. If you don't watch it, they might fix it, and we could all enjoy Trek again)



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Old 01-10-2005, 10:27 AM   #6 of 29
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"fans rarely skip the projects they're fans of."

To an extent, but when fans are taken advantage of, or ignored, or given material they vehemently disagree with, eventually they stop being fans.
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Old 01-10-2005, 11:53 AM   #7 of 29
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Just wondering - what "name" actors do you think would want to get involved with a B5 movie?

The show always had to hire B and C grade TV actors - so what do you think will happen in the movie?

Brad Pitt as Sheridan?
Al Pacino as Londo?

As much as I loved B5 - this sounds like another ploy by jms to get some publicity for a probably already failing movie project.
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Old 01-10-2005, 01:23 PM   #8 of 29
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Yeah, I'm highly skeptical of this as well.

If they funded a B5 movie, it was because it was *B5*, and that includes the characters and actors. Recasting charcters would just unecessarily piss off the fanbase.

Now what *IS* likely, IMO, is that the film with concentrate on *new* characters, which can be cast however they wish. This would make the existing B5 characters more like supporting or bit-players with limited roles.

The short possible plot synopsis/intro posted a while back in another thread indicates that the movie will concentrate on two new charcters.



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Old 01-10-2005, 02:44 PM   #9 of 29
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Yeah, I'm highly skeptical of this as well.


Well, don't be, because it really is true. After I expressed simliar skepticism early on, I was contacted by a long-time contact who is absolutely in a position to know but who does not especially have an ax to grind. This source has never steered me wrong. This is happening and those who care need to resist it.

WB even more than most studios is infected with "Movie snobbery". The feature film folks look down on the TV folks. They'd rather use even journeymen actors who have been in some recent hints and who have recognizable faces than the actors already familiar to millions of fans simply because of this attitude. A big part of the reason that WB had to be dragged kicking and screaming into releasing TV shows on DVD, and then doing season sets, is that the people at WHV shared the same contempt as everyone else at WB for the TV division. They see themselves as an adjunct of feature films and didn't want to soil their hands on "mere" television.

Yes, they really are that stupid. And yes, they really are arrogant enough to say to the creators of a successful TV show, "You're in the big leagues now, we know how a lot more about making a film than you do, now shut up and do what we tell you."

As for studios "never listening" -

DIVX is dead.
Zardoz was released.
All the major studios are doing TV on DVD - not in 2 episode single discs or in "best of" sets, but in full seasons.
Babylon 5, the movies and Crusade were all released - the former in widescreen, with commentaries, extras, bloopers, you name it. Just like the fans demanded - starting back in 1997. It took some time, but we prevailed.

Like the message says,

"Faith manages"

If you're conviced you can't win, the battle is over before it starts. Take a chance. Maybe we'll win again this time.

Regards,

Joe


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Old 01-10-2005, 03:35 PM   #10 of 29
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As for studios "never listening" -

DIVX is dead.
Zardoz was released.
All the major studios are doing TV on DVD - not in 2 episode single discs or in "best of" sets, but in full seasons.
Babylon 5, the movies and Crusade were all released.
Before you hurt your arm patting yourself on the back, I think capitalism gets more credit than organized and active fans for at least two of those achievements.



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