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Old 10-26-2004, 08:18 AM   #151 of 176
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I'd rather clean my septic tank with tongue than read anything written on AICN. Knowles admitted to the Austin American Statesman that he wrote several fake "spy reports" for God and Monsters in order to pimp that movie. He said he considered it "creative" film criticism. Knowles changed his story three times in the infamous "Oscar" fiasco of some years back, when he posted information hacked from a private citizen's computer. moriarty accused Roger ebert of being on the take from Disney because Ebert did not review Pearl Harbor -- it turned out that Mr. Ebert was in France covering the Cannes Film Festival. Knowles even wrote a review for one of Moriarty's scripts, claiming he had discovered it, in an attempt to build buzz around it.



How many times do you people have to be lied to, how many examples of unprefessional / unethical behaviour do you need to see before you walk away from that site?
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Old 10-26-2004, 08:36 AM   #152 of 176
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Someone find me an APPLAUSE smilie for the post right above this one.
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Old 10-26-2004, 05:46 PM   #153 of 176
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How many times do you people have to be lied to, how many examples of unprefessional / unethical behaviour do you need to see before you walk away from that site?
I didn't need it. Boredom drove me away long before moral outrage set it.





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Old 10-26-2004, 11:09 PM   #154 of 176
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Now get me the applause smilie for Paul's post. [img]images/smilies/wink.gif[/img]



Isn't amazing how unethical people are often untalented as well?
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Old 10-27-2004, 12:14 AM   #155 of 176
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I'm still finding myself chuckling over scenes from this movie. The first line spoken in the limousine, for example.



"Now, Gary -- suck my _____!"





And the lyrics to the Team America Theme...



"AMERICA!

@#$% Yeah!

Comin' arund to save the mother@#$%%@# day, yeah!

AMERICA!

@#$% Yeah!

Lick my ___ and suck on my ____s!"



SONG OF THE YEAR.



Let's see that one performed on the Oscars.
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Old 10-27-2004, 12:22 AM   #156 of 176
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Well, knowing Oscar, they'll nominate "I'm so Ronery" instead and have someone like Jack Black sing it.



They gypped South Park: Instead of nominating "Uncle Fucka" as they should have, they nominated "Blame Canada" and had Robin Williams sing it. And then they gave the statue to some song I don't even remember.



Actually "freedom isn't free" might get nominated, which would be a good 2nd choice.


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Old 10-27-2004, 12:49 AM   #157 of 176
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And then they gave the statue to some song I don't even remember.


By memory it was a Phil Collins song from Tarzan because they took the piss out of him a few times in the next season of South Park.




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Old 10-27-2004, 12:07 PM   #158 of 176
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Yeah, they even talk about that being the reason for the episode in the mini-commentary.



I wonder if they pissed off enough H'wood people to keep any of their songs from getting nominated.
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Old 10-27-2004, 06:01 PM   #159 of 176
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They had me the moment the Earth exploded.

Anyone who saw George Clooney (whom I love as an actor, BTW) sit on Charlie Rose a couple of years back and tell the audience with absolute authority that there was [u]no[/i] connection between Saddam Hussein's regime and terrorism ... should understand that this film needed to be made.

I'm not taking a position on whether Mr. Clooney was right or wrong. But really, how on Earth would a Hollywood actor know such a thing?

I'll stop with the politics before I get in trouble. Short version - great movie. And despite all of its abject silliness (Hammer as suicide implement?), an important movie.

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To quote the movie, "Fuck yeah." I may never work up the courage to see a documentary ever again.

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"From the two trailers I've seen, the movie looks like AIDS."

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Old 10-27-2004, 07:01 PM   #160 of 176
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how on Earth would a Hollywood actor know such a thing?




It's not like they're sequestered in a bubble or anything, or that their major brain functions are robbed from them the instant they collect their SAG card. He probably knew the same way a LOT of people knew--they took the time to read the newswires and research it. It's not like that information was top secret White House Briefing or anything--it WAS out there. You just had to dig past the first few pages of the paper to get to it.

Hell, take a look around the internet and see the amazing number of people very highly educated on the political workings and foreign policy issues of our time. Why aren't people saying "How on earth could this Grocery Bagger know such a thing?" or "How on earth does this veterinarian know such a thing?" or "how do these cartoonists know such a thing," or "how does this crazy film fan who posts on home video messageboards know such a thing?" We don't ask those things, we just assume they did the same thing a lot of us did--we read the paper, we checked the news wires, we watched the news programs. It doesn't even cross our mind to denigrate them based on their profession.

There's this really weird idea that people in the entertainment industry are mentally impaired, apparently. Sure, it's easy to assume they're all self-absorbed, selfish, and uneducated as to anything that isn't front page in Variety, (and that's a perception all too many stars and starlets are willing to contribute to gleefully, of course) but that's not necessarily a reality. It treats the people we give an exorbitant amount of money to as not much more than trained pets, expected to do the tricks we tell them to do, and not much else. It's sort of weird, actually, that simply because George Clooney is an actor, we're trained to expect him to be a drooling idiot if he's not regurgitating the most recently read screenplay.


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Old 10-28-2004, 12:10 AM   #161 of 176
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I agree with your points Robert.



Anyway regarding Oscar nominations I doubt Matt or Trey will ever get nominated for anything by the Academey again.



They showed up at the Oscar's a few years ago wearing dresses and the Oscar broadcasters (ABC I think) refused to show them during the obligatory "and the nominees are" shot.
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Old 10-28-2004, 08:12 PM   #162 of 176
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Robert,

for me its not a case of thinking that stars COULDN'T know things, at least as much as ME or YOU. It's that they are speaking from an authority position (being able to speak your mind in a major media outlet) without the appropriate career experience in politics and diplomacy.

Let's be realistic, be it Madeleine Albright, Condy Rice, or Jimmy Carter, Clooney or any other star simply does not get the same level of exposure to the people and information it takes to really understand political situations. And yet actors often get a lot more access to the public to speak their opinions on those subjects than the people who do know them, and then they speak on it as if they do have that knowledge.

Even the more actively political actors like Tim Robbins are restricted from knowing the politics biz like people in major positions of power and diplomacy.

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Really now, does the "internet" in the vague chatroom/blog site sense have the kind of power to reach the masses that talking on Leno or in People does? You don't demand your right to get on national TV and talk politics, probably because you don't feel as though you are exceptional in your knowledge. That doesn't mean dumb, that just means that you realize you aren't an AUTHORITY, just a person with an opinion.

Clooney or whomever is not in that national spotlight position because of his political knowledge (typically), but rather because of his acting (or other) career.

It's a bit like Rumsfeld getting on Meet the Press and ranting about how letterboxing is a rip off because it doesn't use your whole screen and how DTS is really no better than Pro-Logic. Besides thinking he's wrong, you might also be inclined to say "how the hell does he know, is this something he knows a lot about?".

And THAT is what Trey and Matt are all wound up about when they attack stars in South Park/TA. It's not like these stars are humble about their OPINIONS normally. Acting like you really KNOW is obnoxious even when regular people do it to each other, as we see at HTF all the time.

Remember how people questioned Dennis Miller as a color commentator for Monday Night Football? Well if Miller has less insight to the NFL than someone who worked as a coach or player in the leauge, then isn't that the same sort of complaint?


And we haven't even touched on the fact that the entertainment industry is perhaps more tied to APPEARANCE than any other career (even politics). It's not unusual for someone to become a star without really having even average smarts. Certainly this is not a fast rule, but a ditzy star is not exactly unusual. And this only fuels the questioning of what part of being an actor makes someone qualified to discuss politics more than the average Joe.


Of course the irony here is that many politicians begin as stars of some sort and spin that name/image recognition into a political career. I would agree that initially a voter should be cynical about voting for a star just because they are a star, but such a person can learn the politics biz by active participation at various levels (like Reagan starting with the Actor's Guild).

So Bill Bradley speaking now carries more weight than Sean Penn to me. But if Penn did take on a political career and put his money where his mouth is, I would respect and admire the effort. In that way a star like Robbins or Penn who take a much more active role have a lot more of my respect because at least they are trying.
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