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Old 02-10-2004, 02:43 PM   #1 of 26
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After watching the new CE of Star Trek VI this weekend, it got me thinking about how sad it is that the Next Generation crew may not get the great send-off the original crew did. Is the future of the series in limbo with the meager box office take of Nemesis and the falling ratings for Enterprise? I really hope that the Next Generation crew gets one last show at the silver screen, preferably with real talent on the OTHER side of the camera this time.

This may draw the ire of some fans, but after looking over my new box set of the original crew CEs, I say say bring in Nicholas Meyer, and leave Berman and Braga at home.
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Old 02-10-2004, 03:04 PM   #2 of 26
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This may draw the ire of some fans, but after looking over my new box set of the original crew CEs, I say say bring in Nicholas Meyer, and leave Berman and Braga at home.
I'm with you there. The Next Generation crew was the crew I grew up with. I would love it if they would get the kind of swan song that the original crew got. Yes, I know Kirk was in Generations, but Star Trek 6 was truly their last voyage. An excellent movie and I would love to see the TNG cast get the same thing...Unfortunately, given the current state of Trek, I am not holding my breath.




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Old 02-10-2004, 03:28 PM   #3 of 26
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Was Star Trek VI really that good of a film? I think it's the most overrated of the original films by far. They were already far over the hill in the dreadful Part 5, and Part 6 just brought back Meyer who came up with a heavy handed metaphor for the Cold War. Some nice moments, to be sure, but I always thought it was weaker than all of the films before Part 5.

The Next Generation cast are just lacking in charisma for the big screen, with the exception of the stellar Patrick Stewart; that's why they've never been able to really make the jump to the big screen. The discarded TV series plots for their films probably haven't helped things much either!

I could pick 4 episodes from TNG season 4 that best any of the 4 TNG films easily.

New blood is definitely needed, but your guess is as good as mine as to who that might be. A total outsider perhaps?

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Old 02-10-2004, 04:35 PM   #4 of 26
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I doubt if there'll be another TNG movie, but I also don't see any reason why Star Trek films should cease for all time. Maybe the next one will be ten years from now with a cast and crew we've never even heard of at this point, but the Star Trek concept is bigger than the problems the franchise is having right now. That's why I never get why people say they hope there will never be any more shows or movies. There's still the potential for a great show if the right people are in control.
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Old 02-10-2004, 04:46 PM   #5 of 26
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I think that the franchise is suffering from fatigue. When ST:TNG was successful Paramount started flooding the airwaves with more sequels that began to get thin; weaker stories, etc. The franchise should lie fallow for a few years, then create a new series with new characters and good stories and Star Trek will be back.



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Old 02-10-2004, 04:50 PM   #6 of 26
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Leonard Nimoy -- NOT Nick Meyer -- came up with the Cold War allegory. One of the things that made Star Trek VI so outstanding is that it recognized the crew was over the hill, made reference to that fact, and used it in its storyline. There WERE some strange inconsistencies and some things that just didn't make sense (unlocked weapons cabinet in the kitchen, paper charts in the 23rd Century, hardbound books for Klingon translation), but the story itself, the performances, everything made a very fitting send-off for the original crew.

The only thing that irritates me about Meyer is that he understands what makes a good movie very well, but he doesn't fully understand "Star Trek." In his commentary for VI, at the end with Kirk's narration, he said, "Where No Man . . . Where No One Has Gone Before."

Meyer said, It was responding to a politically correct society.It was actually bridging the gap between the original crew and the Next Generation crew, with Kirk "quoting" Picard's show opening narration. It really disturbs me that Nick Meyer didn't know that! Oh, well . . .

Aside from all that, I doubt Next Gen will get another sendoff, since the studio intended for Nemesis to be its "fond farewell" and broke up the crew.
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Old 02-10-2004, 05:33 PM   #7 of 26
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Was Star Trek VI really that good of a film? I think it's the most overrated of the original films by far. They were already far over the hill in the dreadful Part 5, and Part 6 just brought back Meyer who came up with a heavy handed metaphor for the Cold War.


In my opinion, what's notable about Trek VI is not the Cold War plot, but that the film recognizes Trek's racists attitude towards Klingons. The shows and movies not only treat the Klingons as a stupid type-A race of barbarians, but since Star Fleet looks down on them, so are we the audience supposed to. They're an inferior race in every way that makes the galaxy a more dangerous place because they've obtained warp speed travel.

TNG did a good job evolving Worf's character, but never admitted to the treatment of Klingon's the way Meyer did in Trek VI. And then TNG took the same condescending attitude towards the Ferengi which DS9 went to great lenghts to reverse.



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Old 02-10-2004, 07:06 PM   #8 of 26
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I think it should definitely be done but without the people in charge of the last two and I think Stewart and Spiner should not be part of the creative process which often puts their interests above everyone elses. Stewart had a say in Insurrection and Spiner in Nemesis and look what happend.
Stewart said he wouldnt do anymore but wave some money in front of him and he may do it.
Spiner? I dont care if he is in it.
If they cant get the whole crew, mix and match from the other crews.

How about a TV Miniseries?
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Old 02-10-2004, 07:39 PM   #9 of 26
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Im one of the few who relly liked Nemesis - except that horrible scene where Troi tracks the Viceroy.

I think we'll see Riker and LaForge again on the big screen.

Paramount said there would definitely be another and I believe Jeri Ryan said she was gonna be in it.

I think theyre gonna take their time and try to come up with something special as another dud will probally kill the franchise beyond repair.



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Old 02-10-2004, 08:06 PM   #10 of 26
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There WERE some strange inconsistencies and some things that just didn't make sense (unlocked weapons cabinet in the kitchen, paper charts in the 23rd Century, hardbound books for Klingon translation),


That's the Nick Meyer influence - he seems to really like those touches, and others such as Kirk's glasses in Wrath. I think he knows they're inconsistent but wants them anyway...



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Old 02-10-2004, 08:31 PM   #11 of 26
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A letter to start trek executives.

Whats wrong with the star trek movies, is whats wrong with the latest show, and all things star trek in the last few years. They are like moving issues of Maxim. The current folks in charge are under the assumption that whats missing from trek is T&A and not enough action etc...They want more CG aliens, and cooler ships etc...Because 7of9 was a success, they use that is a goal to shoot for. Whats missing from star Trek is deep storylines, and episodes that are story driven, not episodes based solely on cheesey action and pg-13 sex. That's what made the origional and the best of TNG unforgetable, not the T&A and action. Its why you can still enjoy them today. They need to tackle unusual and fantastic elements in there plots. They need to listen to the prologue again, its all right there. Where no-one has gone before, explore new worlds etc...Every character seems cloned from previous successes as if we dont remember the archtypes they now represent. The outcast pinochio, the macho jock, etc...it all feels stale and recycled. So they gloss it up and try to slick up the