[Raasean Asaad]

Neo and Trinity are NOT in the Matrix when they go to the machine city, the sky is still scorched and humans are still in Zion. The truce is only for the current time and basically nothing was resolved except for the fact that the war is over i.e; Machines are not actively hunting humans. I agree with previous posters, when did the focus switch to saving Zion and not freeing humans. The Architect states that as part of the bargain anyone who wants to be free wil be, How will they find out that they're not free? The matrix still exists and so do the fields, I loved the film but I wanted a better ending than that. I do also feel that this movie was re-written at the last minute because so many points went nowhere, Sati's story, The Matrix not ending, The Merovingians motivations, previous instances of the one and so on. And where was the big fight in Club Hel that was to rival all the other fight scenes? I mean is Neo dead and the cycle of The One over or what? This movie while great should have been tightened up a little bit.

[Joseph Young]

Why is it that the negative reviewers go out of their way to be as brief and apathetic as possible, and not explain their position? (ie. it was horrible, terrible, stunk, awful, waste of time) Can't they share any of the elements of the film that failed, even if it's all the elements? At least the positive reviewers, be they 'fanboys' or not, make an attempt to explain their position.

It sucked because _________. Two or three words people. How hard can it be? If you don't care enough about a film to even briefly touch on its wasted potential, then why throw your opinion in a discussion forum and expect to be taken seriously?

[Chris Atkins]

If there's one thing that comes out of fandom after we all see REVOLUTIONS, I hope it is "peace" between the fans of all the franchises. I hope we could all understand that some of us love or dislike different movies and we would all feel welcome to discuss our opinions of each.

[Brendon]

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I wanted a better ending than that. I do also feel that this movie was re-written at the last minute because so many points went nowhere, Sati's story, The Matrix not ending, The Merovingians motivations, previous instances of the one and so on. And where was the big fight in Club Hel that was to rival all the other fight scenes? I mean is Neo dead and the cycle of The One over or what? This movie while great should have been tightened up a little bit.

Raasean,

Thanks for articulating many of the thoughts I've had on the film since getting out of the cinema about half an hour ago.

What was the choice the Oracle couldn't see past ? Are Oracle, Architect and the girl sitting in a reloaded matrix at the end of the film ?

I got the impresson that the end of the film was trying to be ambigious and "beyond comprehension" as that of 2001: A Space Oddessy's. The latter film's ending makes sense and can be understood on a thematic if not literal level. M:Rev's does not.

Many of the philosophical and thematic ideas from the earlier film were either not dealt with, or given one line explanations in between bouts of action.

On the plus side, the APU/Sentinel battle made for some wonderful, visceral eye and ear candy.

Ultimately the trilogy was one good film worthy of the likes of Neuromancer, followed by a couple of films full of sound and fury and a veneer of cod philosophy.

Cheersm

Bren

[Diallo B]

I really liked the movie as well. It definitely does not deserve the critical panning it is receiving. IMO, there are too many folks that are not sci-fi fans attempting to review a movie that is definitely straight up science fiction.

I found the acting to be on par with the first two of the trilogy and the action scences are far more epic than have been attempted in anything to come to the silver screen in the past couple of years. ESPECIALLY for a sci-fi movie.

I had a great time with this installment. Granted the film is not perfect. However, I feel that many of the bad reviews this film (and Reloaded for that matter) is receiving is because Spoiler:
the climax of these films are not gift wrapped in a cute box that is easy to digest.


These films require imagination. If you do not have any and want someone to tell you everything concerning everything Reloaded and Revolutions are not for you.

Great movie. ***/****

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definitely think that the implication is heaven. Thoughts?

That's very interesting. If it were, would the Architect be there?

BTW, in light of all the negative comments for the movie I just wanted to point out that I totally loved it and it helped catapult the trilogy to the top of the "favorite trilogy list" for me. Now waiting for ROTK to see where that trilogy ends on my list.

[Chris Atkins]

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These films require imagination. If you do not have any and want someone to tell you everything concerning everything Reloaded and Revolutions are not for you.

To quote Chuck Mayer when I made an unwelcoming comment in the AOTC thread last year:

"Please make us feel welcome here."

Not everyone who doesn't like the movie has a screw loose.

[EricW]

1. SO glad it wasn't a MiaM!!!! (i had't read alot of pre-release so i wasn't sure).

2. when the Oracle says they'll see Neo again, i think she meant that there will inevitably be another One to be born out of the matrix.

3. i LOVED Reloaded as a movie. story-wise, i think, M1 was better, or at least more original, but you don't always watch a movie for story. Reloaded gave us stuff we'd never seen before. and after having spun the movie many many times on my DVD player, the Burly Brawl and hihghway chase don't seem long at all.
that being said, alot of stuff in Revolutions was too long (at least on first viewing). the seige scenes became repetitive, the Smith/Neo fight was a bit too long. and there wasn't alot of cool kung fu fighting. i really enjoyed this movie, but not as much as Reloaded. i guess it's allways easier to tell an interesting setup up than it is to tell an interesting resolution. in Reloaded we get this crushing revelation that Neo is one of many. in Revoltions there is no such thing. also as said before, Persephone, Mero, and the Architect are hardly seen.
also the Neo/Trinity "relationship" scenes were very fanboyish, they don't change their tone or mannerisms when there together alone. people in the theater were just saying "Trinity die already!"
the Club Hel fight was VERY cool, as goos as the great Reloaded fights. but that was the only good kungfu / acrobatic fight in my opinion/
i liked how the roles of the Architect and ORacle were more fleshed out in the end as being different sides of the same coin. she did her own "oh please" on the Architect
so did the Mero ship out all his renegades out of the Matrix before it got rebooted? is that how he works?


questions:

1. did the powers that be allow Sati to reclaim herself during the reboot (even though she's an exile), or were all inhabitants in the Matrix simply "cleansed" of the Smith virus? with humans having their memories' altered?
2. i may be dumb, but what was the significance of Neo being handed a spoon in Reloaded?

[Diallo B]

It is amazing how many folks are dogging a movie they do not even understand. I do not have the time to point out all of the erroneous conclusions I have read in the posts above but the most blatant ones I have to say something about.

This whole movie/trilogy was about balancing an equation. It was mentioned many times in the movie. The balance became unbalanced when Neo destroyed Smith in the first movie. The balanced was restored when Smith attempted to infect Neo. At that point Neo and the Machine God became the ultimate Norton Antivirus and cleaned up the Matrix.

Folks are disappointed because they wanted to see the Matrix destroyed when in fact the trilogy was about restoring balance. As I watched the Animatrix I pretty much figured that one out. Especially the 'Matriculated' short.

People, priorities change and shift when certain situations arise and information is acquired. This is what happens in real life in life and that is exactly what happened in this trilogy.

Once again folks get some imagination and think out of the box. The theme of the first movie afterall was 'FREE YOUR MIND.'

Based on the 'ending' of this movie we can expect more Matrix stories in some form of media like the upcoming comics and whatever else. I will be anxiously waiting.

I can't beleive how many folks are confused.

[Allen Marshall]

alright.

i started out loving the first movie and thought the second one was ok but just couldnt hack it. after seeing revolutions the first movie is the best movie i've ever seen, the second movie was good and sleak, and revolutions......i just got back from it 10 minutes ago and.....i...just....its.....it cant be real.....can it? its got to be some sort of sick joke? are the wachowskis on drugs?

i mean to me, the first movie is worth watching, the whole thing. the second movie is worth watching the fight scenes on surround sound, and the third one.....its just...i cant believe....MAN!!!!!!!!!!!!! THAT MOVIE SUCKED!!!!!

i wanted soooo soooo much to like it, i wanted to watch these 3 movies over and over again until the day i die...but...but...but but but but AHHHHHHHHH.

and i hate how they just rush everything so they can get it done, they got into getting neo back at the drop of a hat and the scenes that do have that conversation stall that show class have hundreds of cheesy lines in them.

in the second one seraph seemed lik ea bad ass and in this one he just seemed so average. The only part in the movie i liked was when there chasin the train guy, and when trinity goes "i dont have time for this shit", neo came off as a pussy if you ask me, always so nice, sayin sorry to everybody, not argueing, getting his ass kicked by smith, in the first movie when he was the one it was like awwwwww s*** he can do anything he's the man you do not f*** with this man. I thought he could do whatever he wants he should just make a brick wall infront of him everytime somebody throughs a fist, or pushed them away with his hands or something like that. In reloaded i thought all the fights had a meaning, and he was only fighting the first agents to see how advanced they got, fought seraph cause...well seraph insisted, fought agent smiths cause seraph said you dont know someone until you fight them and then there's merovingians goons and of course the fight at the end of revolutions.

They should of had 3 movies, and at the end of the 3rd one neo turns into the one that way we dont have to watch somebody who supposedly can do whatever he wants do nothing, the non extreme action is cooler then the dragonballz episode at the end, got so repetitive, it was like watchin superman and hulk punch each other back and fourth nobody gets anywhere. what really bugged me is i got that feeling like that scenes were rushing through so they could get it all in with 2 hours, i didnt get that feeling with reloaded i didnt get that feeling with the first one, i get that feeling when watching the spider-man and x-men cartoons they used to show on FOX at 7 in the morning, i get that feeling when i watch dark city on USA channel. I thought no matter what the movie would be based on what were positive is real instead of this supernatural mumbo jumbo, seein light from people, getting hurt when plugged into the matrix yadda yadda yadda they might as well of made neo become the one in the real world and start flyin around batting all the sentinels away. The first movie must of been an accident cause if you ask me these 2 guys are incapable of making a good action movie. Oh yea what the bizcrap is with the end of the first movie being 16 months later i dont know what the jizz is goin on, they didnt even make any progress there back in square 1.

Smith showed to much emotion it doesnt suit him well, i know WHY he does but it doesnt go down good. I wanted to see seraph fight the smiths for his life or protect the girl.

The matrix reloaded was good but to me there's only 1 matrix movie and that one was gold.

all and all the popcorn was good, and i liked the trailer for The Last Samurai