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Old 11-06-2003, 01:32 PM   #271 of 1535
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The other problem I have is WHY does this solution work for the machines? I see the benefits for humanity – they get choice and they get to survive either in Zion or the Matrix. How does this benefit the machines any more than wiping out Zion?

the machines couldn't have defeated smith without neo, and had smith not been defeated, smith would have overrun the machine-world.

so the machines got to save their own lives.

pretty sweet deal, if you ask me.
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Old 11-06-2003, 01:36 PM   #272 of 1535
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So, when does he make the OTHER choice to sacrifice himself?

when he chooses to go to the machine city....
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Old 11-06-2003, 01:40 PM   #273 of 1535
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One thing that botheres me about the end: What happened to Neo's body? We see the machines carry him off and that's it. I wish that they showed a scene of the machines carrying his body (and perhaps Trinity's) back to Zion and and inform them of the truce, and then perhaps a funeral ceremony for them. I wish that this was handled better.
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Old 11-06-2003, 01:43 PM   #274 of 1535
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I'm pretty sure somebody mentioned this already, but did anybody notice that the green tint that signifies the Matrix is gone in the final shot?


Seriously, I half-expected U2's "It's a Beautiful Day" to be playing when the final shot of the sunrise was on the screen...



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Old 11-06-2003, 01:47 PM   #275 of 1535
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In regards to Smith leaving his avatars behind when he was destroyed...just think of him in terms of most PC virii. While some destroy data, the good majority of them - when wiped out - leave the original file completely intact.
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Old 11-06-2003, 01:58 PM   #276 of 1535
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The theories revolving around their scenes (the kiss, anyone?) and their parts to play were numerous. NOTHING about them was paid off. What a phenomenal disappointment.


Soooo...because you were expecting something different and we'd all thrown a lot of theories around that ended up being wrong....that's a reason to be disappointed?

Look, I'm not saying the movie is perfect, it's far from it. But a huge majority of the griping seems to boil down to, "It wasn't what I expected it to be."

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What happened to Neo's body? We see the machines carry him off and that's it.


It was loaded into the source so the Matrix could be Reloaded. I doubt the physical body was retained. Why would the machines give a shit about sending his body back to Zion?



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Old 11-06-2003, 01:59 PM   #277 of 1535
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I'm pretty sure somebody mentioned this already, but did anybody notice that the green tint that signifies the Matrix is gone in the final shot?


I was wondering about this too. Was it a new version of the Matrix? Were they in another system? The Architect wasn't in the Matrix before (He told Neo one of the door leads BACK to the Matrix)


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Old 11-06-2003, 02:01 PM   #278 of 1535
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I had seen Reloaded and had some problems with it. I was somewhat hopeful that the 'One film broken in two' nature of Reloaded and Revolutions would help to resolve the problems that I had with Reloaded.
As I already said, I think Revolutions made Reloaded look worse by comparison simply because it did what the second movie utterly failed to: engage me emtionally.

You and others seem upset that this or that plot point wasn't wrapped up.
  1. I much prefer dangling threads left over to having everything wrapped up nice and neat and presented on a silver platter. The former gives us something to think (and talk) about, the latter does our thinking for us.
  2. Many of the unaswered questions you raised were either mildly interesting but unimportant, or based on categorically bad assumptions (e.g. Neo is a program).

Then I don't get some of the complaining about how it ended (I don't know if you personally expressed this view, Alex; It's not necessarily directed at you unless it applies). I thought we all agreed long before Revolutions came out that this was the only way the trilogy could end.

Sure, maybe vanquishing all the machines, destroying the matrix and unplugging all the humans would have seemed more gratifying in a clichéd action movie sorta way, but think about what such an ending would have involved. Destroying the matrix would have doomed the vast majority of humanity to death by starvation, and would have meant more or less the same to a significant portion of the machine population. Mass murder isn't terribly heroic, especially when it kills so many of those you're trying to save.

So Neo's final triumph over Smith didn't come from punches and kicks? No offense, but good. If Neo is supposed to be a literary surrogate for Jesus Christ and Buddha, I should hope his final triumph doesn't come at the end of a punch, kick or gun barrel. He made his final triumph through truth, understanding, and self-sacrifice, not violence.



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Old 11-06-2003, 02:02 PM   #279 of 1535
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I'm pretty sure somebody mentioned this already, but did anybody notice that the green tint that signifies the Matrix is gone in the final shot?


Yah, I think someone mentioned it. I also think someone said they think that The Oracle, Sati, etc aren't in the Matrix.

I disagree, I think they exist in a new version of the Matrix. Normally real world stuff appears with a blue tint, and Matrix stuff appears with a green tint...so no tint at all shows balance.

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It was loaded into the source so the Matrix could be Reloaded.


Yep. Also, from a plot standpoint, bringing him back to Zion would have negated some of the Christ-like comparisons. As Seth mentioned, in the current situation, the residents of Zion can choose to believe that Neo sacrificed himself ala Christ (Morpheous, The Kid, Councilman...etc) or can choose to have no faith in Neo (Locke...etc).

Also, as others have mentioned...having these discussions is definitely the best part of the film. They always help me see a different perspective. Thanks!
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Old 11-06-2003, 02:03 PM   #280 of 1535
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The Matrix still exists for people who elect to stay in there. The Architect can move about as he pleases in the Matrix, I would surmise.



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Old 11-06-2003, 02:05 PM   #281 of 1535
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