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Old 08-27-2003, 11:16 AM   #1 of 22
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How controversial was The Apartment?


I just rented this film (thank you Netflix) and thoroughly enjoyed it. Not growing up or even being born in the early 60’s when this classic film came out I have no idea how it impacted culture during all the changes that where happening in our society in the 60’s. This was the first movie I personally have seen from the late 50’s early 60’s that included issues like corporate corruption, suicide, and adultery so up front. Was this normal fare for cinema by 1960? Or was this movie more groundbreaking at it’s time? Was this movie a springboard to other more culturally challenging cinema of the 60’s? To me the story and the problems the characters faced transcend completely into our time culture. But I don’t think it would have the shocking effect that it might have had over 40 years ago.

Also to the best of my knowledge color photography for cinema was widely available. Was it the directors choice to shoot a Scope B&W movie if so why? Or am I just off on my history of color film?



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Old 08-27-2003, 11:39 AM   #2 of 22
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Allan,
The film was not as groudbreaking as you might have thought due to several 1950s' films dealing with the same subject matter. An example being "Executive Suite" which was released in 1954 and is in the works for a dvd release in 2004.




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Old 08-27-2003, 11:50 AM   #3 of 22
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The Apartment is my favorite film of all-time and if you really enjoyed it, you should check out more Billy Wilder films. I'm not sure about the cultural impact of the movie, but Wilder was often referred to as the guy that made "Those Dirty Movies", especially after "The Aparment".

It was definitely his choice to use Black & White as he was much more comfortable in that medium. Wilder only made two color films before this - "The Emperor Waltz" & "The 7 Year Itch", both of which were requirements by the studio and/or the stars. After "The Aparment", he made the following films.

"One Two Three" - B&W - 1961
"Irma La Douce" - Color - 1963
"Kiss Me Stupid" - B&W - 1964
"The Fortune Cookie" - B&W - 1966

At this point, color was pretty much demanded:

"Private Life of Sherlock Holmes" - Color - 1970
"Avanti" - Color - 1972
"The Front Page" - Color - 1974
"Fedora" - Color - 1978
"Buddy, Buddy" - Color - 1978

"The Aparment" was based on an idea that Wilder had while watching David Lean's "Brief Encounter" in 1945, but he didn't act on it for 15 years.

I would recommend the following Wilder movies.
"Double Indemnity" - 1944
"Sunset Boulevard" - 1950
"Ace in the Hole" - 1951 (Very Hard to Find)
"Stalag 17" - 1953 - Hogan's Heroe's was based on this
"Some Like It Hot" - 1959
"One Two Three" - 1961 - One of the greatest comedies
"The Fortune Cookie" - 1966 - Lemmon & Matthau's 1st movie

You really can't lose with any of his movies though. I've watched them all at least 3 times and several well over 10 times.

If you watch more, I would love to hear your opinions.




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Old 08-27-2003, 11:53 AM   #4 of 22
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I actually found Some Like It Hot far more daring.

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Old 08-27-2003, 12:10 PM   #5 of 22
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An example being "Executive Suite" which was released in 1954

Ill defiantly add this to my list when it comes out as I expand my limited knowledge of films from that era.

The Apartment really struck a cord with me. It was one of those film experiences that every moviegoer looks forward to. Wilder was able to keep true to the more serious parts of the story and still keep the film fun and interesting. Aside from the apartment the only other Wilder film I have seen was "Some Like It Hot". I recall it being more drag comedy than drama, but still a delight to watch, epically Ms. Monroe.

Coincidently "Sunset Boulevard" is next on my Netflix list and should arrive today. I’m taking on the journey of many other HTFers to view all of the AFI 100 movies. Ill be sure to post my comments on Sunset Boulevard soon.



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Old 08-27-2003, 01:07 PM   #6 of 22
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Well, certainly The Apartment wasn't the first film to deal with controversial issues (going way back to the silent era). Consider for example, Chaplin's cocaine use in Modern Times.

As to being a controversial film, I don't think the Apartment was, although strangely enough massive hoopla was made 4 years later for Billy Wilder's Kiss Me, Stupid. Why that film was considered so controversial when The Apartment, One Two Three, Irma La Douce and others weren't is frankly a bit beyond me.



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Old 08-27-2003, 01:22 PM   #7 of 22
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So someone fill a guy in on what is so controversial in this movie. Anyone popluar in it?

(for a sec upon reading this thread I tohught you were talking about Joe's Apt.... eckhhh)


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Old 08-27-2003, 01:33 PM   #8 of 22
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I agree with Robert that this was not particularly a groundbreaking film. Nor was it an especially controversial movie, although it was much discussed at the time of its release. For years before the effects of corporate life on the individual were examined in such books and plays as The Man in the Grey Flannel Suit and Death of a Salesman and in film (Robert has mentioned one), but you can go back to the silent era for other examples. King Vidor made a classic film, The Crowd that Wilder alludes to in an early (and often repeated shot) of the desks with workers sitting at each one, beavering away at incomprehensible and meaningless tasks. Just to drive the point home, the protagonist of Vidor’s film was ‘born on the 4th of July’, telling us that he is making a statement about all common Americans.

This view was not confined to the U.S. For example Ozu made a silent film a few years later, I Was Born But …, which is mostly about two boys coming to terms with life and especially their father’s life; but which also portrays the humiliation the father must undergo daily in order to keep (and advance) his place in the corporation—not unlike Lemmon’s character in The Apartment.

To restate, while this film was discussed on its release, it was not really controversial, nor without precedent.

As for the film being in B&W, by the time this film was made, color was expected in most important films. B&W tended to be reserved for ‘B’ films. Further Billy Wilder was a very successful director with a string of films in the 50s starting with Sunset Blvd. and including Stalag 17, The Seven Year Itch, Witness for the Prosecution and Some Like It Hot. All in B&W, except for The Seven Year Itch. The point is in 1960 he could dictate his terms. He wanted a wide, B&W film. That is what he got.



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Old 08-27-2003, 01:53 PM   #9 of 22
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So someone fill a guy in on what is so controversial in this movie. Anyone popluar in it?


After reading the responses of this thread, it looks like nothing much. Not being very literate in 50's and 60's culture and films I assumed that The Apartment was more controversial than it really was.



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Old 08-27-2003, 03:16 PM   #10 of 22
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So someone fill a guy in on what is so controversial in this movie.

Having written that I did not think it particularly controversial, I’ll write some on what might have been considered controversial. There are at least two areas to consider when considering controversy in the movie: the way office work and politics are portrayed and the depiction of sexual relations outside of marriage. Now, to be sure these two themes are intertwined in the film (as they are in life), but here I’ll write about them separately.

IIRC, the main topic of discussion when this film was released was the way corporate life was depicted. The film is very critical of this existence. There are masses of guys working for not much. Wilder makes a point of this, as we learn Baxter’s (Lemmon) salary early on in a voice over, and it is pretty small.

Aside from the salary, the environment is depicted as dehumanizing. The cinematography with the rows of desks and the trek to the offices amply demonstrate this. Add to this, that there is little chance of advancement: we can tell this by Baxter’s office mate’s comment as to how long he has been in his job.

Now the only way out seemed to be to curry favor with the bosses. And here Wilder is brutal in how low Baxter sinks (and how lowly he is really considered by the bosses).

The discussion points at the time were centered around ‘is corporate life really like that? And, ‘I wouldn’t do that to get ahead, would you?’ In short, the same kinds of things we might say today on a film about Enron or MCI. It would be discussed, but would not be truly controversial.

In the area of sexual politics, it is well to remember that in 1960, we were just emerging from an era where even married couples slept in double beds and no woman went astray without some dire moral (or physical) consequence. Here, everyone cheats. At least in the office—the only married couple we see who don’t cheat are the doctor and his wife who live next door to Baxter. And not only does everyone cheat, they are all (at best) serial cheaters and often cheat just flit from girl to girl.

And it is not as though there is any shortage of willing females. Most who understand that they have no chance of being anything other than the girlfriend. And the women cheat also, as the jockey’s wife tries to get Baxter into bed.

As a bit of an aside, it was sort of against the code (and a bit unexpected in the film) for anyone other than a best friend (even an ex-girlfriend) to tell the wife of the husband’s affair. Of course it happened, but not so often as one would think.

Now these girls suffer no consequences—in fact Miss Kubelik (Shirley MacLaine) lives happily ever after—or at least as happily as she can. And neither do the men, although Baxter’s boss (Fred MacMurry) is tossed out of the house and loses his family—something that did not often happen to the men.

These things too were all discussed, but it is not as though we needed this film to remind us that people cheat on their spouses—so again I don’t think that this was particularly controversial. Probably the most controversial point raised was not so much realized then, though it would be today. Now we would all consider that these women were exploited by the men.

This view was truly controversial then and not much discussed.

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Anyone popluar in it?
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