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08-18-2003, 11:32 PM
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08-19-2003, 12:31 AM
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In every sense of the word, it is sad.
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08-19-2003, 04:54 AM
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I'm afraid that I don't quite understand the logic here.
Disney is very aware that their 2-D hand drawn animated classics are still very marketable by virtue of the fact that their Platinum Collection titles are currently made up exclusively of such fare.
They also cannot be blind to the fact that Dinosaur, their first in-house 3-D animation effort, didn't do anywhere near the "numbers" they were expecting at the box office.
There's not much doubt that Atlantis and Treasure Island would have fared much better at the box office as 3-D creations. This is not due to a lack of talent by the 2-D animators but simply due to the fact that those stories had more mature themes and were aimed, initially, at the teenage audience. Neither film is really a "family" film, per se'. Conversely, Dinosaur, with its talking animals, was obviously aimed at a pre-teen audience and should have been traditionally animated with CGI enhancements.
In today's market there is still a demand for 2-D animation (Lilo and Stitch is a good example), but the need is also there for 3-D. Rather than curtailing one style of animation in favor of another, Disney needs to expand into 3-D while keeping the bulk of their 2-D animation department intact. They then need to create innovative family-oriented projects for the 2-D department; and adventurous teen-oriented "sense-of-wonder" projects for the 3-D department. To do otherwise is to invite disaster.
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08-19-2003, 08:02 AM
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Where the heck is Don Bluth now? I know most of his stuff turned into schlock, but oh, I remember when you had "American Tale" "Land Before Time (original)" "Secret of NIMH"
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08-19-2003, 08:45 AM
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Don Bluth hand a hand in the Fox Titan A.E. disaster. (Which, I, personally, greatly enjoyed for the innovative way the CGI was blended into the animation.)
The bottom line is that these studios need to stop trying to cater to the Japanese Anime' crowd with traditional 2-D animation. It's just not going to fly in this country.
"Anime' style" stories here need to be 3-D animated. However, I still firmly believe that traditional "family" movies can still be created, with good effect, via 2-D animation with CGI enhancement. As long as the story is creative.
Finding Nemo, for example, could have succeeded just about as well, IMO, if it had been 2-D animated. The story was great; the visuals were simply the icing on the cake.
That's the real magic of Pixar: All of their projects, so far, have started with great narrative stories. Why Disney can't figure this out is difficult to comprehend.
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08-19-2003, 09:48 AM
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i saw this coming...
compare the original Snow White animations to.. Treasure Planet..
personally, i find thier original work to be far more artistic, and less "cut-paper" looking.
quite frankly i still dont think they should can the entire 2D animation division.
but i'm not a disney fan anyway
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08-19-2003, 11:25 AM
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I guess there's no chance of a Kingdom Hearts movie
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08-19-2003, 01:33 PM
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"Anime' style" stories here need to be 3-D animated.
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I don't understand this attitude at all. In fact, 3-D animation may not be fully appropriate yet since CGI has yet to produce consistantly animated human characters. Which is why, outside of "Shrek" and "Final Fantasy", you don't find a whole lot of human characters in these films.
As for animated Sci-Fi here, "The Iron Giant" was the best of the bunch, but got killed by poor marketing by Warner. "Titan AE" actually was a near miss that probably could have used more script work.
Disney's main problem in doing something "Sci-Fi" is that they can't seem to commit fully to it. They always seem to feel that they need to compromise to their formula. It is why I think they were kinda ill suited to do those kind of films.
It is too bad that there really isn't that many people with vision in the animated world, and most of those people are working for Pixar.
It isn't the form of animation that's the problem. It's the writing, stupid.
Jason
PS - Who here would think that David Brin's "Startide Rising" would make an excelent animated film? I would...
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08-19-2003, 08:51 PM
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How sad.
I'm a big Disney fan, and have been since childhood. Walt Disney was a visionary, a creator who developed an industry and accumulated a artistic staff that is arguably unrivaled.
And all that accumulated creative genius of 50+ years is squandered; let to dribble away...
How sad.
B
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08-20-2003, 12:32 AM
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In fact, 3-D animation may not be fully appropriate yet since CGI has yet to produce consistantly animated human characters
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The first segment of The Animatrix, "Final Flight of the Osiris", was 3-D animated to very good effect.
Joseph
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