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Old 07-03-2003, 09:06 PM   #121 of 399
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Are we to presume that missile firing has been placed in the control of networked machines without a human in the loop?
Yes, they say as much in the film. Of course such a system is outright silly because the nuke system would never, ever be trusted to just one control system, nor just one man in any of the bunkers either. Skynet could take over what it wanted to, but no one would ever build a system that could be handed 100% over to a hackable CPU system. There would always be a key or whatnot.

Of course...Skynet could have faked the go-ahead signal from the President/military.

Or maybe the US had Dr. Strangelove build one of those Doomsday Devices after all, just like Turgeson wanted.


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His scanner isn't working right. There were dead bodies all over the place
Oh shit is that funny stuff.

I agree about the programming of "don't kill" and mentioned it briefly myself, and especially agree with the fact that who would take the time for such an instruction when everyone is a goner anyway.

Also, if you are in the future and realize that Judgement Day couldn't be stopped after all (which you would), why not send a terminator back with that message the minute after that last one was killed. Of course we always could question the TIMING of the placement of these time travelers, like why not a day earlier or a year earlier? I suppose we must assume that they either can only link into the "aiming" done by Skynet or have some other such restriction. I can let that go of course.
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Old 07-03-2003, 09:29 PM   #122 of 399
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Review uploaded. Feel free to bake me for poo-pooing this film.

Shit, I thought I was kind.

Her will (a LEGAL document said put a bunch of ILLEGAL weapons in her 10,000 coffin, so the T could access them years later? It would only weigh about 700 pounds.

Silberman? WTF? They went for the jugular in humor, but I still laughed more in T2. Those jokes worked with the story, not winking at it.

Great effects.

Atrocious villain.

But now I sound bitter, so I'll bag off. After the early good buzz, I expected a lot more than this.

T2 delivered. T3 showed up.

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Old 07-03-2003, 10:37 PM   #123 of 399
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I saw this movie today and liked it but thought it was cut short. I was just getting into the movie when all of a sudden it ended. I guess they were trying to set up a T4 I don't know. I give it out of stars.
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Old 07-03-2003, 10:46 PM   #124 of 399
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I did think it was kinda silly that he BOUNCES the truck over Daines when he first enters.

Glad I wasn't alone in my eye-rolling during this scene. Yeah, it's a tiny complaint but it was just silly enough to pull me right out of the action.
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Old 07-03-2003, 10:51 PM   #125 of 399
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I like the new direction--and let me stress the word NEW--that Mostow, et al, have taken this series.

This isn't your father's Terminator--or even your "when I was a teenager" Terminator. This is taking the series in a new direction, with different choices than were made in the first two films.

The focus is now clearly more on the action--the truck bouncing over Claire Danes is good evidence of that. But there is nothing wrong with focusing more on action, especially when it is done as well as it is done in T3.

Yes, things might have been a little rehashed in this one, but they have set up T4 brilliantly to take us in new directions.

Whether they make the right choices is up to them...."no fate but what we make."


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Old 07-03-2003, 10:53 PM   #126 of 399
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I hated that bouncing thing too. I didn't really start liking the movie until the crane-chase. I'll have to go see it again tomorrow and see if I like it as much a second time.
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Old 07-03-2003, 11:00 PM   #127 of 399
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I hated that bouncing thing too.


That's really odd...I and the rest of the audience I was with loved that part. Lots of oohs and ahhhs.


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Old 07-03-2003, 11:09 PM   #128 of 399
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First to collect my thoughts, this was worth the trip just for the action scenes. I really enjoyed the performance by Claire Danes, even if the development of her character was rushed compared to our introduction to Sarah Connor. The Terminatrix can be a fox out of a Playboy centerfold, but I like the central characters to be a bit more plain and believable.

What I note about sequels and I see it touched on my many posting comments is the lack of a feeling of “discovery.” In T1 we are introduced sinister nature of Terminator as are the people who are unfortunate enough to meet him. As each new character is introduced we learn and discover a bit more. In T2 we get some repeats, but there are enough twists to keep us interested. T3 comes along and the only real sense of discovery we get in the characters is a hurried explanation. It is almost literally John Connor saying, “hey aren’t you just like the last one?” and the Terminator “no I’m different.” End of discovery.

Well if the writers and director have turned the same rock over and over and have not found another novel way to work with the characters, why not go in another direction with the script? I don’t mean to argue the time travel issue, goodness we would have a thread that would go on forever.

How about bringing in the locals and military in an expanded and participatory role? In T1 we had the Terminator tearing up the police station and the whole state going on alert. Even with this depiction I was a bit disappointed, but there was so much else going on with the story – discovery – that I excused it. In T2 we start with our psychiatrist ignoring all the evidence of a Terminator and treating Sara for her “insanity.” At least the third time around, all government agencies should be aware and on alert. There could have been a police and military nerve center that comes into play that would get caught up in the chase as they did in the first. Yes, I know it is a repeat, but this time instead of giving weak repeats of jokes in previous films, the public could follow the chase on TV as they do in real life in LA.

The writers have chosen to give the police and military the power to cover up the happenings of the T1 and T2. This may be a bigger stretch than the acceptance of time travel. Think about it. Some guy leaves a bit of tape on a door in an apartment complex and a president resigns in disgrace. A large part of LA is blown up with dozens killed and there is no news?

Sorry, I’ll get flamed for debating an element that is not in any of the films, but my point is that the formula for success in a sequel is to not rehash what has gone before, but to repeat that which make the original a success. The fun of discovery.



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Old 07-03-2003, 11:39 PM   #129 of 399
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Pathetic attempt at continuing the series without cameron. The entire movie seemed forced to me and the writing was fairly poor. Most of the movie seemed like a rehash of the predessesors and lacked the power of the first two. The action scenes were also sub par. Arnie only got to use his shot gun once! The musical score was also very disapointing, i was expecting the familiar, "DUH DAH DUH DUH DUH!" Clangs to come into the music at some point, but alas, it was not used until the ending credits. The entire movie seemed like a crappy rushed action movie with terminator characters slapped in and a couple of elements from the previous movies. Also, was i the only one who thought the cgi work in this movie was pitiful? It never was able to pull me in and create a sense of disbelief like movies like the matrix reloaded and the hulk were able to. Overall a very bad attempt. I am very very disapointed.


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Old 07-04-2003, 12:00 AM   #130 of 399
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This was a good summer blockbuster movie. This is (to me at least) what summer blockbusters are about. Not on par with the greatness like T2 but a fine solid effort. And while I thought I was going to hate it given the circumstances that surround the film, as you can tell I throughly enjoyed it - From start to finish.


I am hoping for T4 and excited about it, the only thing that might prevent that from happening is how much money this one rakes in, because the marketing for this movie was horrible.

Again, good throughout much better then the other action films that has come out so far this summer.

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