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Old 07-15-2003, 10:25 PM   #61 of 69
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Just saw this movie, and I can't believe I'm the only one thinking that it was one of the worst movies I've ever seen. I would rather see Gone Fishing 2 then this crap.

The writing was horrible. The suspense was horrible. The action was horrible. The CGI was acceptable. I do not consider myself to be some high brow entertainment guy. I don't need a movie to be super smart to feel it was worth my money. But this movie was just absolutely horrible.

I new terminator that is less powerful then the last one (back to metal skeleton that can't get loose from fallen doors?).

I have to say, it reminds me of Alien 3. Let's kill off some people that were in the last movie and pretend it was done to 'advance' the movie.

I would give it one star, but that is one too many...
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Old 07-18-2003, 09:41 PM   #62 of 69
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THIS REVIEW CONTAINS SPOILERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



I too felt like it was a "pointless" movie. Aaanuld sure looked like he was just phoning it in. It takes an intense, big ego'd director like Cameron to get a big ego'd actor like Arnold to perform, and Mastow wasn't the one to do it.

My biggest gripe was "the character chemistry." Where was it?? Nick Stahl was dull and, I agree, whimpy (perhaps it was the direction). Clare Dains didn't know whether or not to look like a shrinking and shrieking damsel-in-distress or a pissed off action babe/heroine from one action piece to another.

Robert Patrick as the T-1000 seemed more clever as well as menacing than the updated T-X model. Lokken looked more like a Malibu Barbi doll with a ray gun than a cold, calculating killer (look kids! wind her up and see the amazing karate-chop action!). Obviously the studio wanted some pre-requisite female T&A and this was the only way they knew how to throw it in.

The action sucked all of the emotion out of it and left it an empty shell of a script. Lots of "blowing shit up," but the human drama and any compelling reason to watch (as in why was this thing made in the first place besides, obviously, to milk the franchise?) was sorely lacking.

In T2 I actually was upset that Arnold had to fry himself, and thought it was a touching moment when he hinted he'd cry along with John (and finally understood the emotion), though he wasn't able to. As a cyborg, Arnold had been more of a father-figure to John than any other guy Sarah had ever been around after Reice (and that was not lost on Sarah as she made the statement in the narrative). In T3 they just gloss over John's attachment to him with a couple small quips.

The whole point of T2, IMHO, was stated in this line: "if a machine could learn the value of human life, maybe we can too" or something to that effect (I don't have the DVD on to double check). It was an uplifting message mixed with an ambiguous ending (you had to figure out if they had really stopped Judgment Day or not). I felt that the writers of T3 didn't actually get the human element that was embedded in Cameron's Terminator films, and only saw them as one long explosion and/or crash and/or machine gun fight after another.

The humor was weak as well. One thing I enjoyed was the sly throw-away, lines in The Terminator. One of the many small chuckle-inducing moments for me was this exchange:

Paul Winfield [looking like he hasn't slept in months and straitening his rumpled and coffee stained tie to go do a spur of the moment press conference]: "How do I look?"

Lance Henricksen [looking like he hasn't slept in years]: "Like shit, boss."

Paul Winfield [arching his eyebrows]: "Yo' mama!"

And another was when Sarah was frantically trying to call the police station (they knew at the time there was a killer after her) to let them know someone was following her and the automated answering service clicked in and told her that if it was a real emergency to "call back later" because all the lines were full.

Just little stuff sprinkled in like that that elevated a generic B-movie script to something a bit more.

I loved the parts in T2 where John, as a smart-ass little kid, was trying to get the terminator to be a little more "human" and "not such a dork all the time." Priceless!

One thing that had me scratching my head was the cold, killer instinct in the Arnold terminator model of T2 was "sort-of" squelched by John's insistance that he can't go around killing people. In a nifty little scene he has the terminator put up his hand and swear that he will not kill anyone (as if that would make a difference). Arnold then proceeds to knee-cap a guard and, giving John a patented Aanuld squint, states: "he'll live." Clearly these "TLC" moments as well as switching the CPU to a "learn" state (in the extended cut of T2) has an effect of softening up the killer instincts, and defending John and Sarah without killing any humans whatsoever (a bit of an anti-bloodshed stance on the part of Cameron?).

However, in T3 they inexplicably have Arnold (the same exact model as before) switch from a cold hearted bad ass to one who again doesn't kill any people (like cops) who are shooting at him and John (view finder reading after a machine gun barrage-- human casualties: 0000). It doesn't make much sense unless there were cut scenes that help explain his 180 degree switch in behavior and attitude.

And what's with all the CGI? It looked completely unrealistic. If I were Stan Winston I'd be pissed because it looks like most of his stunning physical prosthetics and animatronics were replaced by so-so computer graphics. Stan Winston Studio's prop effects were pretty cool in T2, I thought. Even their live action endoskeleton puppets.

The Hunter Killers in T2 were 50 times more believeable as models than CGI drawings and that was over ten years ago! Look at many of the cost-cutting model effects (handled by the L.A. Effects Group and Stan Winston Studios) in Cameron's Aliens done in 1986, and they still look damn cool and hold their own against costlier computer mock ups used today)!

As a cut 'n' paste action film, I'd give T3 out of

But as a Terminator film:

Dan
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Old 07-19-2003, 08:03 PM   #63 of 69
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Saw it this afternoon and was very pleasantly surprised. I know it's not saying much, but it's the best film of the summer that I've seen so far.
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Old 07-23-2003, 08:31 PM   #64 of 69
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½

I went in expecting to mildly like or really dislike this film.

Instead I came out loving it and really wanting a sequel.

The script, astonishingly was pretty smart, with no more holes or paradoxes (and maybe fewer) than the original had. Most of the humorous lines works, and the references to the other films are in the tradition cameron himself established with "Come with me if you want to live" in the second terminator.

It's not as good as the second, but definitely on par with the first, an excellent and intelligent bit of scifi. Occasionally overwhelmed with the action setpieces, and a little too tense at times. It nicely recaptures the constant cat and mouse of the first, but lacks the timeout that the film had (John's conception), or the latter middle act character development of the second. We never really get to know John's future wife at all, but a lot of character development goes into several little moments, like when she takes down the flying robot--I KNEW Conner was going to say, "You remind me of my Mom," that moment was perfect. One of the nice things was the way we're seeing characters that are normal, are not soldiers--have no desire to partake in a war, and are going to be ground down and refined into characters like the hardened bitch that was Sarah Conner in the second film. The hardened warrior was perhaps another missing element in the third film, but that this doesn't attempt to follow precisely any formula or supply a specific character to replace another is what makes this film feel organic, original and fresh. I just wish there had been a little more time spent on character, just a brief intimate person to person character moment with John and Kate or either of them with the Terminator. Something like the "John-in-a-cage/basement" scene where he's not being an ass.

There is that scene and the scene with both of them in the truck. I think we needed one more scene before their final one together to really get a sense of their dynamic and character growth. But that final scene, does accomplish the job nicely.

I really want to see the sequel now.

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Old 07-24-2003, 05:46 AM   #65 of 69
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"SPOILERS"!








Judgement day must happen or "John Connor" will never be consieved!

Expected to hate this movie but loved it!!!

Personaly though, as much as I liked it... I hope there's no T4 and that this is the last one. This one's ending is perfect "as is" and loops back perfectly to the original Terminator. It's a perfect trilogy and should be left that way! Making a 4th one will just mess the first 3.

Look what they did to "Alien", one movie too many... Who really wants another "Alien Resurection"

Terminator 8 1/2 out of 10

Terminator 2 9 out of 10

Terminator 3 8 out of 10



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Old 08-03-2003, 03:45 PM   #66 of 69
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Just returned from seeing T3 and I was not expecting much as the first two were simply groundbreaking in itself.

Like a few others before me, I was very impressed with T3.

I felt the music was good yet I missed the chilling terminator theme.

Arnie was imo a more ambigious Terminator this time because he kept throwing us (audience) off balance with his quirky remarks.

Talk to the finger was hilarious.

The cameo of Dr Silverman (played by the original actor, forget his name) at the funeral parlor was superb. His reaction at seeing the Terminator.

The ending did surprise me as well though, as I was not expecting this, therefore T4 cannot be far away.




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Old 08-04-2003, 03:27 AM   #67 of 69
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I finally saw this movie. It is indeed not a bad movie or a travesty! But it is also not a great movie on par with the first two. It’s just a decent movie made by the book. No style. And also the music is awful. Music is very important. If they had a great music (even if it was not like the first 2 movies) it would have improved a lot the excitement of the movie.
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Old 08-10-2003, 04:37 AM   #68 of 69
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I finally got to see T3 today. I thought it was a great addition to the series at first. However, now that I've had the chance to think about it, I marvel simply at how much MORE that Cameron could have done to this film. While the twist ending was great, I felt that it was entirely unnecessary to just throw out the whole "There is no fate but what we make" line from Kyle Reese. It was a product of lazy writing, IMO. They could have worked harder and come up with a much MUCH better sequel without having to throw that line out. That line is the whole foundation of the entire Terminator series!

On a side note, did anyone else think that product placement was too freaking obvious in this film? At some points it was so bad that it distracted from the film.

For Example:
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The Xenadrine EFX truck...oh, man I was laughing my head off at that one...even though it wasn't part of the story. When will they stop this pointless product placement bullshit? If I want to see advertisements for fatburners, I'll turn on my TV thank you very much.


Overall, I think it's a worthy addition to the series. Far from the perfect sequel, though. I certainly hope that Cameron comes back for T4 and wraps up the series with a strong finale.

I give this film the following rating:

1/2 out of

It's an above-average action film, but far from an excellent Terminator film. There is SO MUCH MORE that could have been done with this sequel that it's starting to really bug me. I'm glad I got to see it, however. It *was* fun to watch.


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Old 11-18-2003, 12:57 PM   #69 of 69
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I'm definitly on the side who did not like T-3.

It's an insult to the ideas and story of the firts two films.

Stahl was a horrible John Connor.

Arnold still has the Terminatior look of T-2, but the asence of James Cameron is painfully obvious in his performance.

The T-X was very corney.

Kristanna Loken is no Robert Patrick, not by a long stretch! I felt no fear of her through the screen, just contempt. She was a corney idea when I heard about it last year and the movie just confirmed that.

And excuse me, but why in the world would skynet make terminators desinged to terminate terminators!? Uh huh, suure.

Please do not make T-4.




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