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Old 10-01-2003, 05:23 PM   #1021 of 3734
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Throne of Blood

My comments are in the Lew Crippen / George Kaplan thread, so I won't repeat them here, but

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Old 10-01-2003, 06:54 PM   #1022 of 3734
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I've read his review, but I'll give it another go over, as I work on editing mypaper, it's due in two hours

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Old 10-02-2003, 01:17 PM   #1023 of 3734
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Seth, an article that may help if you haven't read it, is Hoberman's (the best Village Voice critic) essay for the Criterion disc. Almost all the Criterion liner essays are archived on the Criterionco.com page. Just go to the individual disc, and you can click the essay on the left hand side.

I always go read the essays after I rent a Criterion disc. Reminds me I still need to go read Man Bites Dog and Summertime.



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2002 Sight & Sound Challenge: 314 Last Watched: An Autumn Afternoon

Last 10 Films Watched:
Mon Oncle Antoine - B / Late Autumn - A-
Paranoid Park - B / An Autumn Afternoon - A
Forgetting Sarah Marshall - B / Run, Fatboy, Run - B
Get Smart - C- / Rendition - B-
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Old 10-02-2003, 01:22 PM   #1024 of 3734
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We Watched Seven Samurai last night for the Lucas class on the big screen. Supposedly this was the complete 204 minute print that had been circulating with the new retrospective. However there was still quite a lot of dirt and print damage, and noticeable density shifts on some scenes I presume had been cut out on previous releases but restored to this print. Also there was no intermission, but the projectionist may have spliced it out to get the film done inside the classtime (as though anyone in the class would have left anyway). It was definitely a great experience seeing this film on the big screen with a (mostly) appreciative audience. I also noticed that the subtitle translation was different from the criterion dvd, with numerous swearings and harsher as well as 'hipper' language. Biggest laugh of the night was when kikichiyo came to sleep with rikichi in his barn and said (according to subtitles) 'those guys cramp my style'. unfortunately some in the audience were not familiar with the film, and thought it was terribly funny anytime a swear word appeared in the subtitles, 'oh look at the quaint japanese people who swear too hehehe'.

Wonderful to see this on the big screen. I noticed so much more, and was able to follow the immense cast much better (I'd tended to mix up Yohei and Manzo when watching on a 27inch screen) the depth of field in the film is truly astounding on the big screen, in my opinion, it didn't flatten the film but gave it a heightened sense of depth. So staggeringly, infinitely better on the big screen.

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Old 10-02-2003, 01:33 PM   #1025 of 3734
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Supposedly this was the complete 204 minute print that had been circulating with the new retrospective. However there was still quite a lot of dirt and print damage, and noticeable density shifts on some scenes I presume had been cut out on previous releases but restored to this print.

The restored version does still have quite a bit of damage. The quality of the films in the retrospective varied and I not longer remember which ones were quite good and which ones left something to be desired.

I was not overly pleased with the ‘hip’ language (this was true for all of the films), but after I’d seen two or three, it began to seem a bit more natural.



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Old 10-02-2003, 02:01 PM   #1026 of 3734
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I didn't care for the language either.

Of the prints I saw Seven Samurai and Ikiru had the most damage although underneath the debris Ikiru looked incredible at times. Stray Dog was average, Throne of Blood looked pretty good, and The Bad Sleep Well looked the best. They finished with Red Beard last night but I didn't end up going. At Emory the films are shown in a classroom set up and those wooden seats and zero legroom are not conducive to watching a 3 hour film.



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Paranoid Park - B / An Autumn Afternoon - A
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Old 10-02-2003, 02:27 PM   #1027 of 3734
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At Emory the films are shown in a classroom set up and those wooden seats and zero legroom are not conducive to watching a 3 hour film.

Ok, this will be very cheap and somewhat tawdry, Brook, and a bit of ‘in your face’, but:

Here in Dallas the retrospective was shown at the Magnolia, which is one of our newer ‘art houses’, complete with a bar that allows you to take your libation into the theatre (and they had Japanese beer as a choice), wide comfortable, upholstered seats and plenty of leg room (but them I’m only a little guy).

The theatre is set in a complex with a French bistro, a wine bar, and several other restaurants, allowing one a chance for a civilized repast before seeing the next film.

This way, I was able to watch three a day or four over two days on the weekend, getting in all of the films in the retrospective.

Did I mention that this complex is a 10 minute drive from my home? And that the food and wine were quite good? And that beer was available in comfortable settings? And …?



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Old 10-02-2003, 04:31 PM   #1028 of 3734
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Tokyo Story
Directed by: Yasujiro Ozu


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- cinematography

Movie Score: B
Film Score: A
Overall Impression: A-

I try to watch a film on my own terms. I try to do as little reading about the film itself as I possibly can before viewing. That way, my perceptions are not colored by what other's think. I want to see "genius" for myself, and I want to be the one that ultimately decides whether or not I want to accept that "genius".

This film marks a lot of firsts for me. It's the first Japanese film that isn't anime, doesn't involve a rubber monster, isn't Kurosawa, and doesn't involve ninjas jumping out of the shadows. In other words, a pretty tall order and rather daunting task if I may say so.

Tokyo Story's story and plot are simple enough to follow. We're concerned with two grandparents who are on they're way to visit their children in Tokyo. They leave behind a daughter (Kyoko?) at the home. Evidently, they have three children, three sons and a daugther. Two of these children actually live in Tokyo. One of their sons is a suburban doctor who is a pediatrician. The daugther owns/runs a hair salon (if that is a hair salon). The other son...well, he's the only one that's not in Tokyo, and he lives in Osaka and has a desk job. There's the third son (second oldest?) who died during the war, but his widowed wife is left behind, and this daughter-in-law is very close to this family.

Evidently, the grandparents' visit is a nuisance and bothersome invasion to all but the daughter-in-law. The doctor son was going to show them around and even eat at a department store, but was called away at the last moment before he could take them. The doctor's kids (the grandchildren) fuss over not being able to go, especially the elder one. The young one just seemingly avoids any attention from the grandparents.

There are little snippets that reveal exactly what goes through the children's heads, particularly the daughter salon worker. She doesn't want to spend money on them, and she finds her parents' visit extremely intrusive.

It seems the only person to find anytime for the grandparents is their daugther-in-law. She asks for a day off of work to show them around Tokyo.

At some point, the children don't want to have anything to do with them, so they send them off to a spa.....that's geared more towards the younger crowd.

And I'll conclude my synopsis there because this is a film you need to experience first hand to appreciate these things.

I noted earlier that I try to read as little as possible about a particular film so that I may view a film on my own terms. That still remains true, but when a film receives as much praise as this one, a few eyebrows raise and few ears perk. So I did a little research. Not much though.

There's no doubt that this is one strong illustration of generational conflict/divide. This point is clearly illustrated across the film, and even in subtle ways. Note the contrast between the relative tranquility of the grandparents' home and the harsh smoke stacks that seemingly pop up every now and then.

We have children that do not welcome the visit of the grandparents, and this is clearly illustrated by Shige. She even chastises her husband (?) at one point for buying delicious cakes when she thinks rice cakes will do.

The grandchildren aren't angels either. Now I know enough about Asian culture (I should by this point ) to know that that there is a premium and emphasis based on respecting elders. It's clearly obvious that the children don't, and neither the grandchildren. I'd go so far as to say they were insolent.

There's a poignancy involved with the way the children treat their parents. It kind of makes me happy to know I will never treat my parents that way. It wasn't abundantly clear to me whether or not Ozu tried to put the blame on something as to why these children act that way, but it was evidently clear that regardless of your life or circumstances, you should never forget the simple things. The daughter-in-law treats grandpa and grandma better than even their own children, in spite of what she says about herself.

I noted that the cinematography was good. I don't remember where in the hell I read this, but Ozu is one of the directors that likes to violate the 180 degrees rule when it comes to camera placement. Instead, he uses the entire 360 degrees when filming conversations. It makes it a lot more interesting and feel like we're right in the middle of the conversation. Kind of like That 70's Show.

But I also noted this film was a lot of firsts for me. This film has quite possibly the most static camera work I've ever seen. No tracking shots, no pans, no tilts, no zoom-in's, no zoom-out's. Even "staple" shots of exteriors don't move. It never moves except for that one pan across the wall where we see the grandparents on the lawn of Noriko's home. I honestly have no clue why Ozu does this, and I found myself getting extremely bored on more than one occasion. I had no idea how much camera movement there was in other films until I saw this.

I'm going to have to get a second viewing of this film, but it'll have to wait. There's Rules of the Game and Throne of Blood I want to check out.

I don't doubt that TS is great. After all, the themes and manner of presenting (except for the static camera work) those themes are highly universal and still apply today, especially the problems that arise from the generation gap. However, I don't know if it is anywhere near the brilliance of Citizen Kan and Vertigo. I'd put The Passion of Joan of Arc in front of TS.



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Old 10-02-2003, 04:52 PM   #1029 of 3734
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I have always be very suspiscious of the Seven Samurai subtitles. I cannot get over the "Granddad". WTF? I think "The Old Man", "The Elder" or even "The Grandfather" would have been far more appropriate.

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Old 10-02-2003, 08:10 PM   #1030 of 3734
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Spirited Away didn't bowl me over quite as much as Princess Mononoke did, but I still absolutely adored it. I'm not a fan of anime in general (I don't even particularly like the much bally-hooed Grave of the Fireflies) but Miyazaki's got my number. I love his wild imagination and the complex characters he creates... his refusal to paint them as either 100% good or 100% evil. I would say that in SA he lets his imagination run just a little too rampant, at times the heart of the story got a bit lost in the weirdness of it.

That's a minor nitpick, though, for an otherwise entrancing and delightful film.
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