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09-12-2003, 03:23 PM
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And I'm also not sure we are talking about quite the same things Dome. Is your experience with neo-realism based entirely on Bicycle Thief
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As for your argument about nonactors vs. pros and whether audiences notice the difference. I definitely think they do.
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We're just going to have to agree to disagree. 
Re: arts and entertainment
I'm not going to even start on that. I'll get childishly pissed off, start throwing around buzz words like pretentious and artsy fartsy. Then I'll have to count to ten and start apologizing. Naw, I'll just skip to the phrase where I pretend I didn't say anything at all.
On a good note, I found out my library has Tokyo Story and Battleship Potemkin. I'll have to dig for Alexander Nevsky though. And to celebrate our discussion of The Bicycle Thief, I'm going to listen to Queen's "Bicycle Race", a song that has absolutely nothing to do with the film. 
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09-12-2003, 03:35 PM
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Anyway, on the one hand I've actually enjoyed debating some of these issues, but I'm not sure I have anything more to add.
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Yeah, I'd say the subject is pretty well tapped out. Sorry to be a semantics whore, but I always think it's a good idea to define your terms, or else be very careful about using them.
A discussion of "entertain" (-ing, -ed, -ment) wouldn't be such a bad idea either. |
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09-12-2003, 03:53 PM
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I'm not going to even start on that. I'll get childishly pissed off, start throwing around buzz words like pretentious and artsy fartsy. Then I'll have to count to ten and start apologizing.
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Or on the other hand, you could read my suggestion as to the proper venue for such discussions.
If you like, you can substitute bar and beer for dinner and wine. Id support either method.
ˇTime is not my master!
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09-12-2003, 04:14 PM
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Where's that wonderful pizza thread everybody keeps talking about? I need to learn how to make tomato sauce....from scratch.
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09-12-2003, 04:41 PM
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Right here.
As one devoted to the pleasures of the flesh as well as the intellect (artsy-fartsy enough?), you will not be surprised to note my modest contribution.
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09-14-2003, 04:14 AM
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Vodka please, I've never liked the taste of any wine I've sampled.
My last word on the subject is that I equate entertainment with fun.
Oliver Twist was briefly in stock but went out of stock again, so I'm not sure what my next viewing will be. Possibly La Jetee.
I know what I'm gonna do tomorrow, and the next day, and the next year, and the year after that. - George Bailey
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Days of Wine and Roses - B / Redbelt - C
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Star Wars: The Clone Wars - C+ / Brand Upon the Brain! - B+
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09-14-2003, 10:35 AM
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I equate entertainment with fun.
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Ditto that. I'm aware that there other ways to think of "entertainment," but to me it always connotes fun, upbeat, happy. |
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09-14-2003, 12:49 PM
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Sorry, it must just be me. I fail to see how a film that you don't find entertaining, that isn't fun for you to watch, can be one that you want to watch over and over again. For me, entertaining does equate to fun, but not necessarily in the laughing, upbeat, happy sense. Jaws is not upbeat or happy, and isn't a comedy, but it's fun to watch (as is the Seventh Seal, Citizen Kane, Open City, etc.), otherwise they wouldn't be entertaining, and then you'd have a film I wouldn't want to watch ever again.
"Movies should be like amusement parks. People should go to them to have fun." - Billy Wilder
"Subtitles good. Hollywood bad." - Tarzan, Sight & Sound 2012 voter.
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09-14-2003, 01:57 PM
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Farewell My Concubine is for me both entertaining and intellectually challenging, but there is not very much in over 2 ˝ hours that I consider fun.
To be sure there are great, lavish costumes that are a part of the Beijing Opera and performance that I’m sure are ‘fun’ providing that one has an understanding of the art form. But no understanding is necessary to trace the dedication to art and to friends and lovers and ultimate betrayal that permeates this film. The story is as fine as example as exists of intertwining a story on the stage and the story of the film.
Brilliant.
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09-14-2003, 08:14 PM
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