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Old 02-03-2004, 03:18 PM   #1 of 26
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Infinite Baffle Subwoofer - Wow!!!


I just recently installed a IB sub in my attic using 2 15" Dayton DVC IB drivers, PE 250 watt plate amp, and a Behringer Feedback Destroyer. Not to brag or anything, but this is the best bass I think I've ever heard. Very tight and accurate and can be very loud with little amplication. Seems effortless and enveloping. The BFD was mandatory with my room. When I first fired up the sub it sounded real bad as there was such a ragged freq response. Once I figured out how to use the BFD I was able to get a ruler flat response at 90db's from 18hz to 125hz using the RS meter with corrections. Can you say "No rolloff until 18hz"? I need to play with the equalizer more as a flat response doesn't necessarily sound the best. I also need to deal with a couple vibrating recessed lights in the ceiling.

Here's the beauty part:
The total cost of my system was around $500.00.
The only thing necessary for aesthetics was the cover for the hole in the ceiling.
No huge box or sonotubes in the corner.
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Old 02-03-2004, 04:05 PM   #2 of 26
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Gees Kevin,

Don't you know this is supposed to be a secret?
After all, we are a 'cult' ya know..... :wink:


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Old 02-03-2004, 05:57 PM   #3 of 26
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reading these types of comments about IB setups has realyl gotten me interested. I am in the middle of building a new home. the room for my HT is right at 3200 cubic feet. what would it take to get reference levels from an IB setup in that size room? I am currently waiting on 1 tempest to get here. so how many more would i need to produce true reference levels?
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Old 02-03-2004, 06:30 PM   #4 of 26
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Usual recommendation is build a 18"-20" cube. Start with a pair of 15"s. If you find that's not enough to suit your needs/wants, add a second pair.

BTW: there's lots of info on the "Cult" FAQ page.


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Old 02-03-2004, 07:59 PM   #5 of 26
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see thomas, we keep tellin these guys- and yet their supprised when it performs.

i dont think ive heard an IB gone bad. its simple to build, inexpensive; and for those with the guts to cut "the hole", a path to bass nirvana.



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Use your ashtray please, dont throw um on the street. thanks
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Old 02-03-2004, 08:05 PM   #6 of 26
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Wouldn't the back wave of an IB affect the sound you are hearing?

I contemplated an IB a while back but I was unsure what effects the back wave of the drivers has on what you hear in the room. Many of the installations I've seen and the kind I would have done would only have sheet rock between the storage / attic room enclosure and the listening area.

In a former home, I had a pair of cheap 10" rat shack patio speakers installed and mounted in the attic. The sound was played in the soffit over the patio but the speaker box was the attic. When standing in the interior room of which was adjacent to the outside patio the bass coming through was pretty significant. Way more than if you were outside with the door open. When I stood in-between the patio door or just outside with the patio door open you could still hear the bass.

So in my limited experience and knowledge with this kind of install, it seems that the bass could be over emphasized on the low end. If this is the case wouldn't the actual lower frequency bass sound be less accurate or unnatural due to the potential of overemphasized back waves rebounding and coming through the sheetrock?

I'm thinking this could be similar to the phenomenom with a portable sub when you go in another room and you hear lower bass frequencies at a louder level than you do when you are in the room itself.
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Old 02-03-2004, 08:05 PM   #7 of 26
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how would the output compare toa typical ported setup? I have been reading alot of the info on "the cult" page and i am getting more and more interested. I guess it comes down to the fact that I have never saw or heard a IB in a HT before. it is just hard for me to fathom that i could make a hole in my wall and throw a couple subs in and be done.:b
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Old 02-03-2004, 09:14 PM   #8 of 26
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what would it take to get reference levels from an IB setup
Using UniBox to do a quick model, it would take at least 8 Stryke AV15's (behind only the, $500 Tumult, in volume dislaced per stroke). That is figured with a 15hz low end and the drivers being pushed to max excursion to get to refrence level at 20hz.
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Old 02-03-2004, 11:05 PM   #9 of 26
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One more time, here's the deal with IBs. No 'box', so no box induced colorations.

Unknown to most listeners is that there are subtle details recorded on the most bass tracks. With a good quality main speaker, if you listen to a 6-string guitar, you hear the 'pluck' of the pick. With an IB you hear the same 'pluck' from a stand-up bass. You hear the 'transient attack' of the foot pedal on a bass drumhead.

Every standard 'box', ported/sealed/PR/isobaric/whatever, tends to "smear" the details of the bass tracks. So people aren't able to hear what they paid good money for in the recordings. Now if your idea of 'great' bass is a low-rider booming down the road, please go elsewhere. However if you want high quality, very LOW frequencies, with amazing amounts of detail. Then IB bass is the ticket.

Don't have the ability to cut that hole in the wall/ceiling/floor? Then dipole bass is your salvation. Same great quality, same great detail, in a portable cabinet. Here are some links where to Seigfried Linkwitz (yes he's the "L" in L/R crossovers) talks about "H" baffle and "W" baffle dipole bass designs. These are a little more tricky than a 'box' sub because they require specialized EQ. But they easily deliver the same great bass quality as IB subs

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Not to worry. Comparing an IB sub to the soffit mounted RS speaker, is something like comparing a tricycle to a Vette.


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Old 02-04-2004, 06:49 AM   #10 of 26
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this is sounding more and more liek th route i want to take. i am basically to the point in my stereo hobby that i am after a bass system with no compromise in sq, the ability to play sub-sonic freq and play at reference levels. it sounds like to much to ask but i am begining to think that IB could provide this type of bass for me.

here is my setup.......
when my home is finsihed my HT room will 19 x 21 x 8. and here are my initial thoughts for an IB setup, 4 tempests total and running a pair off of each channel of my Nady XA900 pro amp. it produces 200wrms per channel at 8ohms. so i would have 100wrms per driver. could someone give me some opinions on this setup?