"The eager gaze of the uninitiated" - Page 2

Doug Otte · 07-10-2008, 10:55 AM

There's seems to be a contradiction here in the industry's approach. If BDs are being marketed to viewers with smaller displays, why eliminate grain and detail with DNR? It would seem that grain and detail would be less visible on smaller displays anyway, right?

Doug

Felix Martinez · 07-10-2008, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Ed St. Clair

Cute & catchy! :-)

Thanks. Hey, how 'bout a T-shirt?

Stephen_J_H · 07-10-2008, 02:11 PM

Me likey.

Ed St. Clair · 07-10-2008, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Felix Martinez

Thanks. Hey, how 'bout a T-shirt?

Nice job, Felix!
Are those available at the HTF store?
JJ

Paul_Scott · 07-10-2008, 03:23 PM

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This motion picture was created using the photochemical film system. We have attempted to preserve, as closely as possible, the look of the original elements. Because of its high resolution, this Blu-ray Disc can reveal grain and other analog attributes of the source.

This is EXACTLY the kind of approach I was thinking of was when I was screaming about the need for inserts a while back. With the small size of the cases, there is little room for a blurb like this on the outer jacket. But a notation like this should be prominently visible when you first open the case.
I would take it even further and play up the original source technical aspects as much as possible (film stock used, lenses, etc). This won't mean jack to 99% of the people out there, but it would solidify the impression the the film therein is special and unique and not meant to look like a one-size-fits-all DiscoveryHD broadcast.
I think getting the studios in the habit of relaying information like that, is not only going to begin to educate the consumer, but also keep the studios attention focused where it should be- the pride in faithful, high fidelity reproduction.

Ed St. Clair · 07-11-2008, 04:58 PM

HiDef Digest (small exsert):
"From the opening shot to the closing credits, skin textures and fine details aren't just haunted by a waxy appearance, they’ve been completely plasticized by an over-exuberant grain scrubber in a bottom-rung production house. At times, it looks as if the actors have been painted onto the screen while, at others, the same actors look as if they’ve been superimposed onto CG-enhanced backdrops. Depth has been erased, the foregrounds don’t naturally coexist with the backgrounds, three-dimensionality has been compromised, and the filmic nature of ‘The Longest Day’ has been sullied. By comparison, the piddling level of DNR applied to ‘Patton’ seems like a complete non-issue. I’m usually quite forgiving when a transfer doesn’t have any other debilitating issues aside from DNR, but it’s so offensive and obvious in this case that I have to protest."
Full review:
Blu-ray Review: The Longest Day | High-Def Digest

Cassy_w · 07-12-2008, 09:14 PM

This was posted in another forum by someone who claims to have worked on PATTON. This is scary and this situation needs to stop.

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The company I work for now has come up with a process to remove all of the film grain so we can make the image as sharp as possible then we add grain back to the picture, but not as much. When we do a lot of the film transfers we have either the DP or the director there to supervise the transfer, so if they don’t like it we change it to how they want it. On the older movies the studios will make the call.

Putting grain back in is a lie. You are adding noise that wasn't there. You are changing the film! This is a disgrace. Why the hell should I or anyone else invest in a large High Def display if we won't be able to see films as they were meant to be seen?

Dave Moritz · 07-12-2008, 10:02 PM

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he company I work for now has come up with a process to remove all of the film grain so we can make the image as sharp as possible then we add grain back to the picture, but not as much. When we do a lot of the film transfers we have either the DP or the director there to supervise the transfer, so if they don’t like it we change it to how they want it. On the older movies the studios will make the call.

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Putting grain back in is a lie. You are adding noise that wasn't there. You are changing the film! This is a disgrace. Why the hell should I or anyone else invest in a large High Def display if we won't be able to see films as they were meant to be seen?

This entire train wreck of DNR'ing the grain out and lossing picture detail is a big slap in the face. A big slap in the face to all the early adopters that jumped in right away buying 1st generation players and building large Blu-ray and HD-DVD library's. And to everyone that adobted Blu-ray and spent the money buying hardware and software after having friends talk them into investing into HD. This is something that if unchecked and allowed to continue and used with more HD titles, this could seriously hurt Blu-ray growth and acceptance.

I personally will not spend my hard earned money on titles that employ this rediculous practice. It is obsurbed and should not be happening, are the studios trying to derail Blu-ray or just catering to a small group of consumers who care nothing about how movies should look?

Ed St. Clair · 07-14-2008, 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave Moritz

This entire train wreck of DNR'ing the grain out and lossing picture detail is a big slap in the face. A big slap in the face to all the early adopters that jumped in right away buying 1st generation players and building large Blu-ray and HD-DVD library's. And to everyone that adobted Blu-ray and spent the money buying hardware and software after having friends talk them into investing into HD. This is something that if unchecked and allowed to continue and used with more HD titles, this could seriously hurt Blu-ray growth and acceptance.

I personally will not spend my hard earned money on titles that employ this rediculous practice. It is obsurbed and should not be happening, are the studios trying to derail Blu-ray or just catering to a small group of consumers who care nothing about how movies should look?

Unfortunately...
the studio's are just catering to a large group of consumers who care nothing about how film should look.

I feel you pain!

Cassy_w · 07-14-2008, 10:49 AM

A large group who will buy regardless of what it looks like! That is the difference. They buy, period. They just do. They see the film on the shelf at Best Buy and they snag it. It's that simple.

So there is no reason to ruin how films look because of them.