[bigluigi]

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Originally Posted by Dave Moritz

HDM is not the only reason studios might want to master there films in HD. Let us not forget that we are getting more and more HD channels and those channels need HD content. These same studios make alot of money from networks airing there movies and with HD channels increasing. They will remaster more and more film titles to HD, at that point IMHO it does not take a huge investment to my knowledge to make some menues and add extras to an HD disc or discs. So ultimately I feel that there will be HD titles, it is just a matter of how many a year will they put out on HDM vs HD content for network viewing?

Tell me about it. If there's any HD media delivery system I truly support and recommend to relatives and friends it's HD services via DBS in conjuction with a HD-DVR machine....it's far and away the best bag for your buck these days. And, for the studios those costs in furnishing content to networks can be anticipated and budgeted for and more importantly - controlled.
There's a lot more to consider in manufacturing software. Just look at how long it took for the studios to release their A list of titles with SD DVD.... much more than just a few years and this was via a format that was/is hugely successful by any standard.

[Man-Fai Wong]

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Originally Posted by bigluigi

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Tell me about it. If there's any HD media delivery system I truly support and recommend to relatives and friends it's HD services via DBS in conjuction with a HD-DVR machine....it's far and away the best bag for your buck these days. And, for the studios those costs in furnishing content to networks can be anticipated and budgeted for and more importantly - controlled.
There's a lot more to consider in manufacturing software. Just look at how long it took for the studios to release their A list of titles with SD DVD.... much more than just a few years and this was via a format that was/is hugely successful by any standard.

Hehheh. For my friends and relatives, seems like borrowing movies from me is the best bang for their buck, if they don't want to bother spending the extra $$$ to get good quality HD for movies. Besides, for many, NetFlix might be more compelling.

BTW, if you do love using the HD-DVR to "own" those HD movies, you might consider getting a Raid capable external drive instead. I just noticed that such a 2TB beast (for 1TB use w/ simulataneous backup) costs almost the same per GB as smaller externals. That's probably what I'd do if I really want to use this method in place of HDM -- assuming the HD-DVR works fine w/ such.

As for concerns about HDM releases, I'd point out though that movies released to DVD have already regularly gotten HD transfers for a long time now. However, as noted repeatedly elsewhere, there's plenty of real concern whether older transfers have been good enough for HDM as we want it. Presumably, more recent and future HD transfers for DVD (and HD broadcasts) should be good enough, but that still leaves a good deal of catalog titles in question. And it's there where I wonder if we won't see at least some studios (like Universal and Paramount) cut corners w/ their HDM releases. I sure hope not or the quality advantage over HD broadcasts will be lost.

Then again, don't widescreen movies typically get cropped to 16x9 ratio for HD broadcasts? Not exactly what most of us here want even if the PQ/AQ is similar.

_Man_

[bigluigi]

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Originally Posted by Man-Fai Wong

Hehheh. For my friends and relatives, seems like borrowing movies from me is the best bang for their buck, if they don't want to bother spending the extra $$$ to get good quality HD for movies. Besides, for many, NetFlix might be more compelling.

BTW, if you do love using the HD-DVR to "own" those HD movies, you might consider getting a Raid capable external drive instead. I just noticed that such a 2TB beast (for 1TB use w/ simulataneous backup) costs almost the same per GB as smaller externals. That's probably what I'd do if I really want to use this method in place of HDM -- assuming the HD-DVR works fine w/ such.

As for concerns about HDM releases, I'd point out though that movies released to DVD have already regularly gotten HD transfers for a long time now. However, as noted repeatedly elsewhere, there's plenty of real concern whether older transfers have been good enough for HDM as we want it. Presumably, more recent and future HD transfers for DVD (and HD broadcasts) should be good enough, but that still leaves a good deal of catalog titles in question. And it's there where I wonder if we won't see at least some studios (like Universal and Paramount) cut corners w/ their HDM releases. I sure hope not or the quality advantage over HD broadcasts will be lost.

Then again, don't widescreen movies typically get cropped to 16x9 ratio for HD broadcasts? Not exactly what most of us here want even if the PQ/AQ is similar.

_Man_

Thanks for the heads up on that 2TB "monster" but my problem is not storage but finding the time to watch the HD content I've already recorded. Storing HD content is soooooooo addictive!!!
Some friends that have recently bought plasma HDTVs have updated their current DBS services for more HD content. They preferred this over buying HDM even with Tosh giveaway prices. They just were not interested and were completely satisfied with their upconversion SD DVD players.

[Jim_K]

HD DVR's are great for recording and short term storage, I've had one for over a year. Though the hard drives do have a tendency (much more frequent then PC hard drives) to crash (permanently loosing your recordings of course) especially the more recording you do. That's always fun, but thankfully I didn't pay for any of the films I recorded.

Having said that I'd be a moron to expect a hard drive to be a viable replacement to a library of physical media.

[bigluigi]

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Originally Posted by Jim_K

HD DVR's are great for recording and short term storage, I've had one for over a year. Though the hard drives do have a tendency (much more frequent then PC hard drives) to crash (permanently loosing your recordings of course) especially the more recording you do. That's always fun, but thankfully I didn't pay for any of the films I recorded.

Having said that I'd be a moron to expect a hard drive to be a viable replacement to a library of physical media.

Your expressing the conventional line of thought regarding HD recorders, but, I'm sure your aware, that on newer equipment, with large external hard drives, LONG term storage is becoming more and more a reality for many consumers. This is a fairly new development that is being heavily advertised by the DBS industry. It seems every other day my newspaper has a full page ad by Dish Network extolling their HD recorders. And yet all the media tech writers are still hung up on "downloads" and are ignoring, so far, the huge impact HD recorders are going to have on the entertainment industry in my opinion. It's already affecting my HDM buying habits i.e. I recoded Hoosiers one of my favorite movies and will not purchase the Blu-ray disc as I'm satisfied with the PQ/AQ of the recording. I have already started a library of recorded catalog HD movies many of which are not available on HDM.

As far as physical media is concerned, I still have my SD DVD library and I've got to admit, that compulsion or whatever that drives us collectors to collect physical media has greatly subsided, no doubt, helped by the sudden devaluation of our SD DVD collections.

[Jim_K]

DVR technology isn't new (even HD), like I've said I've had an HD DVR for over a year and I had a SD DVR for close to 3 years before that. It hasn't exactly taken the world be storm and it hasn't effected the DVD industry so far so I don't see it being on the cusp of some mass adoption. Also as I've said before having gone through quite a few units over the years, the hard-drives have a tendency to crash quite often. I know from experience.

Again an HD DVR is great for what it is (recording and short term storage)but the only thing that's been effected from having a DVR is I don't need Netflix as much as I used to, which is fine by me.


For the average Joe who watches a lot of TV and the occasional movie here and there who's also on a tight budget maybe just an HD DVR is probably the way to go in all honesty. But in all reality I can't see the average Joe monkeying around with an external hard-drive when most can't even hook up their HD equipment correctly.

As for the serious film collectors/afficiando's, I really can't imagine very many who would abandon physical media and rely entirely on putting their movie collection on a hard-drive (external or no) that will crash eventually. It's not a matter of if, but when. I'd think most of whom would have the common sense that unlike hard-drives, you're not teetering on the brink of disaster with physical media barring any disaster that might occur to your home.

Storing a movie collection on a DVR hard-drive or an external hard-drive just isn't my thing, never will be. Plus I'm not on a fixed income so it's physical media all the way for me with the HD DVR just as a supplement.


I know you're happy as can be right now but that Honeymoon will be over when that hard-drive of yours crashes. But whatever floats your boat I guess.

[Robert Crawford]

If you want to discuss the latest television showing of "Lawrence of Arabia" in HD, this is the thread for that discussion. Also use this thread to talk about recording HD movies on your DVR or whether recording HD Movies on your DVR is an alternative to HDM.

Any discussion related to HD television broadcast of movies is welcome in this thread.





Crawdaddy

[RickER]

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Originally Posted by Jim_K

DVR technology isn't new (even HD), like I've said I've had an HD DVR for over a year and I had a SD DVR for close to 3 years before that. It hasn't exactly taken the world be storm and it hasn't effected the DVD industry so far so I don't see it being on the cusp of some mass adoption. Also as I've said before having gone through quite a few units over the years, the hard-drives have a tendency to crash quite often. I know from experience.

Again an HD DVR is great for what it is (recording and short term storage)but the only thing that's been effected from having a DVR is I don't need Netflix as much as I used to, which is fine by me.


For the average Joe who watches a lot of TV and the occasional movie here and there who's also on a tight budget maybe just an HD DVR is probably the way to go in all honesty. But in all reality I can't see the average Joe monkeying around with an external hard-drive when most can't even hook up their HD equipment correctly.

As for the serious film collectors/afficiando's, I really can't imagine very many who would abandon physical media and rely entirely on putting their movie collection on a hard-drive (external or no) that will crash eventually. It's not a matter of if, but when. I'd think most of whom would have the common sense that unlike hard-drives, you're not teetering on the brink of disaster with physical media barring any disaster that might occur to your home.

Storing a movie collection on a DVR hard-drive or an external hard-drive just isn't my thing, never will be. Plus I'm not on a fixed income so it's physical media all the way for me with the HD DVR just as a supplement.


I know you're happy as can be right now but that Honeymoon will be over when that hard-drive of yours crashes. But whatever floats your boat I guess.

This is the most perfect post i have seen in some time, cause it says exactly how i feel about the same thing. Only Jim said it better than i ever could. Jim, if this were my post, id reuse it every time someone has to say how perfect DVRs, or worse, computer downloads, are. I am sure we are missing the boat, and will be left behind because of our backwards thinking, but i dont think so. Physical media all the way for me too!