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02-21-2008, 03:59 PM
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LETS TALK ABOUT 1080p/24fps
I have not found a thread dedicated to just talking about 24fps.
so thought I would start one.
I think I like it.
Many of the movies @ 1080p/24fps look very much like the theater and some not so good.
But would like to hear other peoples thoughts on this subject.
Likes and dislikes, it is it overrated...Hyped?
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02-22-2008, 12:28 PM
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Re: LETS TALK ABOUT 1080p/24fps
I did learn something
movies were originally shot at 18fps but when sound was added it was too slow for sound and that was the reason for 24fps.
...and a little more on 24fps.... : Adobe After Effects
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02-22-2008, 12:51 PM
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Re: LETS TALK ABOUT 1080p/24fps
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Actually, originally movie cameras were hand cranked. To maintain a steady speed, the camera operator would often sing a well known song to himself, to try and keep the pace.
But you are correct, once motors started being used 18fps became a standard, but not the only standard. Some camera men shot at 16fps to save film. By the late teens and early twenties 18fps was pretty much the standard for the film studios of the day. This is one reason why silent films always seem to be running to fast when being run on a modern sound projector.
When sound came in many people wanted to shoot at a higher frame rate than even 24fps, but 24 was chosen because of economics.
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02-22-2008, 04:02 PM
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Re: LETS TALK ABOUT 1080p/24fps
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Many of the movies @ 1080p/24fps look very much like the theater and some not so good.
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IŽm not sure what are you trying to say here? "Some not so good"?
Most film based movies are shot in 24fps. Blu-ray/HD DVD-releases include that film in the disc at 24fps.
To get that native 24fps out from the disc, youŽll need 24fps HD-player AND also TV/projector that accepts native 24fps.
So if the HD-disc (Blu-ray/HD DVD) is using a proper source and is properly mastered etc. AND you have a HD-player that support 24fps AND the TV that accepts 24fps = YouŽre all set.
If you donŽt have a player AND/OR TV that outputs/accepts 24fps, then you donŽt really benefit from it.
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02-22-2008, 05:44 PM
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Re: LETS TALK ABOUT 1080p/24fps
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IŽm not sure what are you trying to say here? "Some not so good"?
Most film based movies are shot in 24fps. Blu-ray/HD DVD-releases include that film in the disc at 24fps.
To get that native 24fps out from the disc, youŽll need 24fps HD-player AND also TV/projector that accepts native 24fps.
So if the HD-disc (Blu-ray/HD DVD) is using a proper source and is properly mastered etc. AND you have a HD-player that support 24fps AND the TV that accepts 24fps = YouŽre all set.
If you donŽt have a player AND/OR TV that outputs/accepts 24fps, then you donŽt really benefit from it.
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I have the set Sony KDS-60A3000 that accepts 1080p/24fps and a player Samsung BD-UP5000 that outputs that too.
The not so good one I have found so far is the Lady in the water. It was better watched with 24fps turned off.
And I don't know why all the rest look amazing IMO at 24fps.
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02-22-2008, 06:06 PM
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Re: LETS TALK ABOUT 1080p/24fps
Well, w/ 24fps output, you *should* lose the judder issue for 24fps (film) source content. The 3:2 pulldown needed for 30/60fps (from 24fps source) causes judder, which can be noticeable on smooth panning shots, certain smooth action sequences, rolling credits, etc.
The judder bothers some people more than others. I sometimes notice it myself, but it's not usually bothersome to me -- most times, it's just the rolling credits that are noticeable to me.
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02-22-2008, 07:54 PM
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Re: LETS TALK ABOUT 1080p/24fps
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Well, w/ 24fps output, you *should* lose the judder issue for 24fps (film) source content. The 3:2 pulldown needed for 30/60fps (from 24fps source) causes judder, which can be noticeable on smooth panning shots, certain smooth action sequences, rolling credits, etc.
The judder bothers some people more than others. I sometimes notice it myself, but it's not usually bothersome to me -- most times, it's just the rolling credits that are noticeable to me.
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There is still a stutter or strobing effect with native 24fps. The 3:2 pull down is only slightly more pronounced than direct 24fps. Honestly I doubt most people would be able to spot the difference most of the time.
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02-24-2008, 11:46 AM
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Re: LETS TALK ABOUT 1080p/24fps
Until you watch the rolling end credits. The difference there becomes obvious.
Vern
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02-24-2008, 02:57 PM
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Douglas Monce
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Re: LETS TALK ABOUT 1080p/24fps
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Until you watch the rolling end credits. The difference there becomes obvious.
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I don't see it as radically different. It also depends on the speed of the credits too.
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02-24-2008, 06:00 PM
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Re: LETS TALK ABOUT 1080p/24fps
I find the strobe effect more obvious in horizontal pans, but maybe that's just me.
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02-24-2008, 07:23 PM
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