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Old 12-16-2007, 01:18 PM   #1 of 4
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How accurate are HD titles?


I have friends at the theater here, which comes with it's perks.


They have all digital projectors, with some film projectors when movies aren't offered in digital.


I never have to pay for movies, so I try to see as many as I can.


I've actually got to mess around the software on the projector system. It's a central hub which sends the media to all of the projectors.

I think they use the Christie digital system. I know that there's actually competition for digital cinema sort of like the Hi Def format war. There's no general standard and it can be a a bit of a risk for a theater to pick one.


Interestingly, the movies are either beamed in by satellite, or more often delivered by hard drive.

The hard drives usually hold movies files that are around 200 gigs.

I guess I find it interesting to debate how closely a 30 gig, or 50 gig Blu-Ray disc represents the film when the theater gets these on a 200 gig hard drive.

My friend says he can't rightly say if the audio is a specific size in comparison to the video. I find it interesting that Blu-Ray offers uncompressed masters on their discs.

If we assume 20 gigs for adudio, that means that the theaters video file size is massive. I'm going to assume that this means that the video itself is uncompressed, and that is what makes the difference.

The theater runs a resoultion about the same as what Hi definition is, it's like 1920x1091 or something a little different.

I may be completely off base with any one of these issues, and I fully expect at least one of you to know more about this than me.


I guess Im' just wondering, with these things in mind, how well are Blu-Ray and HD-DVD bringing the experience home? Obviously the demands on a theater are much higher than a home theater, but I think it's an interesting comparison.







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Old 12-16-2007, 03:26 PM   #2 of 4
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Re: How accurate are HD titles?


Wikipedia has some info here

12 bits per pixel, 24 or 48 fps, JPEG-2000 compression. Average bitrate upwards of 200 MB/s. For a three hour show, it's 2 gig for audio, 300 gigs for video. source
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Old 12-16-2007, 04:14 PM   #3 of 4
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Re: How accurate are HD titles?


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Originally Posted by Averry
I have friends at the theater here, which comes with it's perks.


They have all digital projectors, with some film projectors when movies aren't offered in digital.


I never have to pay for movies, so I try to see as many as I can.


I've actually got to mess around the software on the projector system. It's a central hub which sends the media to all of the projectors.

I think they use the Christie digital system. I know that there's actually competition for digital cinema sort of like the Hi Def format war. There's no general standard and it can be a a bit of a risk for a theater to pick one.


Interestingly, the movies are either beamed in by satellite, or more often delivered by hard drive.

The hard drives usually hold movies files that are around 200 gigs.

I guess I find it interesting to debate how closely a 30 gig, or 50 gig Blu-Ray disc represents the film when the theater gets these on a 200 gig hard drive.

My friend says he can't rightly say if the audio is a specific size in comparison to the video. I find it interesting that Blu-Ray offers uncompressed masters on their discs.

If we assume 20 gigs for adudio, that means that the theaters video file size is massive. I'm going to assume that this means that the video itself is uncompressed, and that is what makes the difference.

The theater runs a resoultion about the same as what Hi definition is, it's like 1920x1091 or something a little different.

I may be completely off base with any one of these issues, and I fully expect at least one of you to know more about this than me.


I guess Im' just wondering, with these things in mind, how well are Blu-Ray and HD-DVD bringing the experience home? Obviously the demands on a theater are much higher than a home theater, but I think it's an interesting comparison.

Some projection system are now 4k which is more than double the resolution of HD. Contrary to popular belief, HD is NOT 2k. 2K is 2048x1080 at 24 or 48 frames per second. 4K is 4096x2160. Also 2k and 4k projection systems use the CIE XYZ colorspace which is able to represent far more colors on the screen than is possible with HD.

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Old 12-16-2007, 04:41 PM   #4 of 4
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Re: How accurate are HD titles?


Don't know how relevant this is to the thread, but just in case someone is interested, the following are the various Theatrical digital specifications:

Cinema Digital FormatsAspect RatioResolution H x WTotal Pixels
Academy 2K1.37:11828 x 13322434896
Full Aperture Native 2K1.33:12048 x 15563186688
Digital Cinema 2K2.39:12048 x 8581757184
Digital Cinema 2K1.85:11998 x 10802157840
Academy 4K1.37:13656 x 26649739584
Full Aperture Native 4K1.33:14096 x 311212746752
Digital Cinema 4K2.39:14096 x 17147020544
Digital Cinema 4K1.85:13996 x 21608631360


Compare this to:
Video FormatsAspect RatioResolution H x WTotal Pixels
DVD NTSC4:3 or 16:9Anamorphic720 x 480345600
DVD PAL4:3 or 16:9Anamorphic720 x 576414720
NTSC 525/60 video4:3768 x 483370944
PAL 625/50 video4:3768 x 576442368
ATSC 720p HDTV16:91280 x 720921600
ATSC 1080p HDTV16:91920 x 10802073600
European HDTV16:92048 x 11522359296


You can see how some of these Digital Cinema formats would require huge amounts of data storage space compared to Home Video formats.
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