Dave Moritz

WB poor choice in audio for Terminator 3

While I allready own Terminator 3: Rise Of The Machines on HD-DVD that includes a Dolby Digital Plus track. I was considering getting it on Blu-ray just so I could have the trilogy all on one HD format. I thought WB was supposed to be format neutral but this makes me beleive that they are playing favorites! While IMHO the Dolby Digital Plus is not all that great, at least the HD-DVD has a higher bit rate DD+ track. The Blu-ray version of T3 is only offering a standard sucky DD track, oh wow WB your giving us a horible 640k surround track for an HD release.

I was actually exspecting a uncompressed PCM track or even a Dolby True HD track out of WB. But with the use of a trashy DD track you might allmost think WB didn't care about HD releases.

IMHO this is unacceptable! There will be a no sale of the Blu-ray version for me and I hope everyone else stays away from this release! This is not about HD-DVD vs Blu-ray, its about offering a horible audio track!

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Scott Simonian

Re: WB poor choice in audio for Terminator 3

Damn, that sucks to hear. When I saw that ad for the Blu-ray version I was hoping it would have the advertised TrueHD track or preferably a PCM track. Bleh.

I wouldnt really call the HDDVD DD+ much superior though cause all of Warner's HD's with DD+ are in the lower bitrate 640k-768k or whatever the low one is. Universal and Paramount do the much higher 1.5mbps DD+.

Another supporter of 1080p and uncompressed multi-channel sound!

My Twin 18's. 50cuft of box, tuned to 11hz and with 2k watts on tap.

Aaron Silverman

Re: WB poor choice in audio for Terminator 3

What is the bitrate on the T3 HD-DVD?

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Paul Arnette

Re: WB poor choice in audio for Terminator 3

From the HDD review:


If true, at least Warner Bros. is being consistently mediocre.

By the way, OCD wins out here. Must. Have. All. Cases. The. Same. Color.

David Sal

Re: WB poor choice in audio for Terminator 3

Remember that traditionally, WB uses the same sources for both, BD and HD. In HD the Dolby is called DD plus at a given bitrate and in the BD is called DD without the +, but at the same bitrate, something to do with the application. Just wait for a formal review. Otherwise, if that's the case, is a very strange move by WB.

Harminder

Re: WB poor choice in audio for Terminator 3

640Kbps

DVD/HD DVD/Blu-ray Collection

Duncan Harvey

Re: WB poor choice in audio for Terminator 3

I have to say, a little perspective is probably needed here.

Why does 640k mean "horrible" or "sucky"

Dave Moritz

Re: WB poor choice in audio for Terminator 3

Because IMHO and I feel others may agree that standard lossy DD with its low 640 bit rate. Tends to sound muddy and lacks transparency and generally is lacking of subtle detail. Especially when you take a newer flavor of DD and encode it at such a low bit rate when others are encoding at 1.5mb.sec. Even if they did not use a lossless codex like Dolby True HD or Uncompressed PCM. They should have at least encoded the DD+ at 1.5 mb/sec to acheive a decent amount of transparency and better detail.

Why use an flat sounding outdated DD track when they could have used a more up to date codex that would have offered better sound? Its basically the DD codex that does not sound very good IMHO.

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Aaron Silverman

Re: WB poor choice in audio for Terminator 3

So the HD-DVD doesn't have a higher bitrate track then? Go figure.

It may not be the best possible quality, but "horrible" and "sucky" are stretching it.

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