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Old 08-20-2007, 10:11 PM   #301 of 3878
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Re: *** Official HTF HD Formats Industry/Retailer/Studio Support Thread


Wow, what a day! I hadn't had a chance to peruse the usual news sources and forums today, and of all places, I found out about Paramount and Dreamworks' decision on USA Today's site!

My first reaction was just that, "wow." My second reaction was "this is big."

Enthusiast web sites are getting more traffic than they've seen in a while, fueling endless heated arguments, generating ads, and smoking web servers, all at the same time. That's a heck of a Monday.

I would love to see all studios be format neutral, and I'm probably going to be alone in this viewpoint, but I think the decision today brings us closer to that day.

The format war has done quite a bit for hardware features and prices. Who would have thought just six months ago that we could have $199 HD DVD players and $499 Blu-ray players? Without HD DVD's high functionality from the get-go, what do you think the chances are that we'd be seeing anything close to Profile 1.1 or 2.0 in Blu-ray players in the near future? I'm still not happy with where Blu-ray players are at, but I think they're further along than they would be without a competing format showing them how it can be done (and for cheaper).

Now, we may be seeing the format war heating up on the software side. Things were awfully lopsided on the studio leaderboard. Ignoring the fact that Fox was a Blu-ray studio mostly in press releases only, anyone the least bit familiar with high definition on optical discs probably heard that there were more studios on the Blu-ray side than on the HD DVD side. Blah, blah, blah.

What I see is this. Paramount and Dreamworks Animation, or more suitably, their big name movies, will provide the foot in the door that other studios needed to consider doing the same. I can see another studio following suit, but as much as I'd like it to be Disney, I don't think it will be either Disney or Fox. Someone smaller, maybe two.

Now the scales become much more balanced (if they aren't already).

Studios on both sides figure that there's not going to be an end to the war any time soon. Faced with the choice of 1) continuing to fight a stalemate, or 2) finding common ground and serving both sides, I think (hope) that they will choose #2.

That's the only scenario that has no outright losers. Manufacturers win because they can sell players that will play all the movies being released. Consumers win because they don't have to worry about not being able to play HD movies on they player they decide to spend their money on. Studios win because they can sell to consumers of both camps.

Sure, studios have to pay more money for producing two formats instead of one. Considering the incredibly low volumes of HD media sales right now, that's not a big hit to the bottom line in the big picture. I just don't think that it's that big a factor right now. In the future, yes, the production costs are going to matter when they're moving units approaching what we're seeing with DVD sales. But that day is a long way off and there's plenty of sales to make in the meantime.

Neutrality only works, however, when the cease fire is honored by everyone involved. All studios need to be neutral, even Sony, but it could probably work if there was a single holdout, because their non-participation would be so incredibly obvious that they would be shamed into it anyway.

I shake my head that downloads and some grand conspiracy by Microsoft even comes into the discussion. A lot of companies have their fingers in downloads, but none have succeeded, yet. Movielink has been around for years, but it hasn't taken off.

I think a majority of people want to watch movies on their couches in front of their TV's (displays, projectors, whatever), and until some device allows them to do that easily (low price of admission, non-onerous process of purchasing and fast delivery, and high availability of titles), that's not going to happen any time soon.

Does Microsoft have an interest in seeing things like Xbox Marketplace thrive? Sure. Should they be looking at things that will further that goal? Why not? Maybe someday not everything will be a grand Microsoft conspiracy, but I guess there will always be people with tin-foil hats on the lookout for the black helicopters.

Lastly, much has been said about Bill Hunt and his attitudes about the war. I happen to disagree with his prediction, his reasoning, and his insistence that there is nothing that can't change the tide of the war. However, I have never doubted that his core perspective was still about enjoying movies the best way possible... until recently. His fervor for the hobby and frustration about the lack of a decisive victory from either side must have gotten the best of him. Reading his most recent posts made me not want to read anything more on his site. He's heading down a path of (dare I say it) fanboy-ism that bespeaks tunnel vision, and believing one too many press releases. I know that I visit his site much less than I used to, and I consider myself to be very open-minded.

Here's to hoping that the Paramount and Dreamworks Animation news breaks open some barriers to true studio neutrality!



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Old 08-20-2007, 10:12 PM   #302 of 3878
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Re: *** Official HTF HD Formats Industry/Retailer/Studio Support Thread


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I'm not talking about early adoptors or enthusiasts. I'm talking about soccer moms who will let their husbands go out and buy an HD player to go along with the HDTV they got for Christmas last year. I would say under $200 or closer to $150 and you'll start seeing this market open up. And that is when you will really see sales take off.

No, you will see any HD media take off when you can BUY software for sale prices. I wont blind buy on a Blu-ray movie for 20 bucks, or more (thanks FOX) but i blind buy at BB or CC when they have buy 3 for $20 DVD sales. Better yet, DVD titles that have only been out a few months selling for 3 to 5 dollars. When BD or HD can sell cheap discs, then they will win!



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Old 08-20-2007, 10:17 PM   #303 of 3878
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In the first place, I guess that Bill Hunt isn't the industry "insider" that he claims he is, or he wouldn't have been surprised by today's announcement. So much for that.

EVERYONE was surprised by this announcement today. Even last night the inkling was that it was only specific titles that were gonna be exclusive to HD-DVD. This was a major stunner. It happens.

So, by your logic, NO ONE could possibly be an insider, since EVERYONE was surprised?

So much for that.




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Old 08-20-2007, 10:19 PM   #304 of 3878
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Been watching the thread grow and grow all day and from my perspective this is the best quote so far.

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Yep. The war is over. The winner - DVD and standard definition.

Sadly true. These formats are very much facing a niche status. Maybe this is something Paramount/Dreamworks already foresaw and decided to cash-in while they could. If they truly believed that neither format stands a chance at mass adaption then taking incentives for what I imagine is a relatively short (< 1 year) exclusivity window is a smart business move.




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Old 08-20-2007, 10:19 PM   #305 of 3878
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No, you will see any HD media take off when you can BUY software for sale prices. I wont blind buy on a Blu-ray movie for 20 bucks, or more (thanks FOX) but i blind buy at BB or CC when they have buy 3 for $20 DVD sales. Better yet, DVD titles that have only been out a few months selling for 3 to 5 dollars. When BD or HD can sell cheap discs, then they will win!

Well sure but they have to buy the player first. Got to have the horse before the cart. Once that happens you'll see the disc prices come down.

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Old 08-20-2007, 10:21 PM   #306 of 3878
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So, by your logic, NO ONE could possibly be an insider, since EVERYONE was surprised?

So much for that.


Well, to a certain degree, yes. Some decisions are made with very few people involved, and just at the top. Most signs point to this being one of those times. Insiders are usually in the lower-to-middle levels. My guess was this was above them.



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Old 08-20-2007, 10:27 PM   #307 of 3878
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I think something like this was a "must" for HD DVD to survive - especially with Fox coming back on board to release titles, HD DVD needed another major studio advantage in time for the fall/winter. And, this was HUGE. While I've been favoring Blu-ray to pull this thing out and I speculated within a year the format war would be over, it just goes to show you what can happen and how little many of know what goes on behind the scenes. I also have to believe that both sides still have other "tricks" up their sleeves. I'm now starting to wonder how long Warner will support Blu-ray - since it's very clear to me they have clearly been favoring HD DVD and they too release exclusive titles for HD DVD only.

On any rate, I'll continue to watch both formats on my PS3 and A2. However, I will buy certain HD DVD titles as I feel much more confident in the format staying around.
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Old 08-20-2007, 10:33 PM   #308 of 3878
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Guys, I think we're forgetting the most important factor of today's developments......









The African Queen is HD-DVD exclusive!



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Old 08-20-2007, 10:45 PM   #309 of 3878
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I would love to see all studios be format neutral, and I'm probably going to be alone in this viewpoint, but I think the decision today brings us closer to that day.

And how exactly does a format-neutral studio going exclusive with one format get us closer?




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Well, to a certain degree, yes. Some decisions are made with very few people involved, and just at the top. Most signs point to this being one of those times. Insiders are usually in the lower-to-middle levels. My guess was this was above them.

Then how did your logic reason that Bill Hunt couldn't be connected to insiders? Or was that just going along with the general forum-trend to bash Bill regardless of whether or not it makes sense?



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