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08-29-2008, 11:38 PM
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Re: Sleeping Beauty BD - 2008
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Originally Posted by Douglas Monce
Did they shoot each frame of Sleeping Beauty 3 times with color filters to produce technicolor negatives as was done with the previous Technicolor features? I guess I assumed being a Super Technirama 70 film, it would have been shot with an Eastman color negative.
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Classic Disney animation shot on Eastmancolor? HERESY! Keep in mind that Technirama 70 was a distribution format, not a filming format. Technirama 70 films were shot on 35mm 8-perf, then printed on 70mm, and Disney had successive exposure down to a science @ this point.
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08-30-2008, 12:58 AM
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Re: Sleeping Beauty BD - 2008
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Originally Posted by Douglas Monce
I'm pretty sure the motion picture industry switched over to safety film around 1948. It seems highly unlikely that Sleeping Beauty would have been photographed on nitrate film stock.
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Oddly enough, Looney Tunes shot on nitrate were released up through 1952. Not sure if it's due to backlog, but they did have many nitrate Tech prints up until 1953. Seems like most late 1951-1952 shorts shot on nitrate were released on safety. One 1953 short even has an existing nitrate print. (All of this not 100% verified, but from what I can find on UCLA's site)
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08-30-2008, 05:39 AM
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Douglas Monce
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Re: Sleeping Beauty BD - 2008
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Classic Disney animation shot on Eastmancolor? HERESY! Keep in mind that Technirama 70 was a distribution format, not a filming format. Technirama 70 films were shot on 35mm 8-perf, then printed on 70mm, and Disney had successive exposure down to a science @ this point.
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Yeah I know how Technirama works, but I wasn't sure when Disney switched from photographing their animated films in the successive exposure method, to simply using Eastman Color. I know they did at some point, just not sure when. I assumed they phased it out about the same time as live action 3 strip went away.
Doug
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08-30-2008, 05:42 AM
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Douglas Monce
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Re: Sleeping Beauty BD - 2008
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Oddly enough, Looney Tunes shot on nitrate were released up through 1952. Not sure if it's due to backlog, but they did have nitrate Tech prints up until 1951. Seems like all late 1951-1952 shorts shot on nitrate were released on safety. One 1953 short even has an existing nitrate print. (All of this not 100% verified, but from what I can find on UCLA's site)
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Hmmmmmm Interesting. My understanding was that nitrate had pretty much been phased out by 1948, but I suppose it might have hung around for a few years after that, particularly for budget strapped productions like the Looney Tunes cartoons were.
Doug
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08-30-2008, 12:15 PM
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Re: Sleeping Beauty BD - 2008
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Originally Posted by Robert Harris
It is usually best to allow one's archivist to make statements regarding technical issues.
I doubt very much that Kodak made a special nitrate base for Disney specifically for the OCN of Sleeping Beauty, which was shot on black & white negative, not color stock.
I believe Mr. Ho misspoke in regard to multiple tech issues. Not a terrible thing, as for a brief moment, it took some people's minds away from the melting of the polar ice caps.
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Hi Robert,
Gordon actually said "2.55", not "2.35". That was my 4am typo, now corrected. |
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09-13-2008, 09:22 PM
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Review of the Disney Ad for Sleeping Beauty BD*
So this transfer isn't perfect.
You'll see a black speck appear for less than a second on the bed frame when the faeries are putting "SB" too rest.
Then when the prince comes in for "the" kiss; all heck breaks loose with black mold/fungus/growth coming in from the edge of the fame (never seen anything like it B4).
I don't see a hint of grain (from normal seated position; the next disc I watched, listen too ;-), was Led Zep's "TSRTS" HD DVD grain was easy too notice of coarse [pi]).
All so the infamous** 'before & after' shows a BIG color shift from blue to gray. During the demo the water goes from aqua too gray & her dress goes from blue/gray too gray/green. Along w/his vest going from tan to brick.
So...
was the water supposed too be blue or gray???
*from the "SB" demo on "Ratatouille"
** as w/the "ST:TOS remastered"
I'm going to compare the SD DVD against the BD promo.
Hope too update soon.
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09-14-2008, 10:42 AM
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Re: Sleeping Beauty BD - 2008
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*from the "SB" demo on "Ratatouille"
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Ed and others,
all clips of Sleeping Beauty on ALL consumer media, even those advertising the "new Blu-ray", are from the old master used for the last DVD.
And they are horrible.
It was one of the reasons why, at the sleeping beauty demo in DC back in June, I was so eager to look at the clips from the forthcoming blu-ray to compare.
100% different. No comparison. None.
So don't even bother trying to extrapolate anything from any sleeping beauty clips from anything out right now. The new blu-ray is a completely different master from a completely different transfer from a completely different film restoration. And no consumer media out now have scenes taken from that new master... everything out now is from the old.
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09-14-2008, 03:35 PM
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Re: Sleeping Beauty BD - 2008
But DaViD, is this restoration more correct? Is the Blu-Ray what Sleeping Beauty is supposed to look like, or does Disney stay on their current path? Meaning that they're changing the colors so it doesn't look 'old'.
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09-14-2008, 10:24 PM
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Re: Sleeping Beauty BD - 2008
I couldn't say as I didn't have an original print or cel work to compare, but just watching the new restoration, nothing felt obviously altered as far as the colors go. We'll have to wait until the release for archivists and those familiar with the original print to say anything about the color balance and its accuracy.
HOWEVER,
EVERYTHING else about this new restoration, without a doubt, is 100% better than anything you've seen before. I'm sure that the original artists didn't intend for the dark/light contrast fluctuations and print damage to distract you while watching. And those intrusions, which served no artistic goal and were not intended by the artists, have been banished.
finally!
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09-15-2008, 12:11 PM
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Re: Sleeping Beauty BD - 2008
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Ed and others,
all clips of Sleeping Beauty on ALL consumer media, even those advertising the "new Blu-ray", are from the old master used for the last DVD.
And they are horrible.
It was one of the reasons why, at the sleeping beauty demo in DC back in June, I was so eager to look at the clips from the forthcoming blu-ray to compare.
100% different. No comparison. None.
So don't even bother trying to extrapolate anything from any sleeping beauty clips from anything out right now. The new blu-ray is a completely different master from a completely different transfer from a completely different film restoration. And no consumer media out now have scenes taken from that new master... everything out now is from the old.
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thanx for info DaVid  !!
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