Weekly hi def sales numbers - Nielsen/VideoScan - Page 6

Cees Alons · 06-30-2007, 04:53 AM

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Really if you and Cees and a few others think HDM can't do any better by a single format, then on what earth does it have a chance by being 2 competing formats splitting the customerbase?

Really misrepresenting my position to make your point.

I didn't say they cannot do better: on the contrary, I argued that we need a combi-player, and fast! And I also said they can do a lot better by all abandoning the exclusivity.

But they probably won't, so combi-player it has to be.

Cees

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I am format neutral - it's many of the studios, that's who are not!
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PeterTHX · 06-30-2007, 05:06 AM

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Originally Posted by ppltd

Panasonic, JVC, Philips and Pioneer. Absolutely.

Absolutely not.
Panasonic was the one threatning LG with a lawsuit over their intellectual property in Blu-ray. They have a LOT of infrastructure in BD. JVC is related.
Pioneer has BDA spokespeople.
Philips is Sony's partner.

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They are certainly not making any sales on the BD side of the house. With LG and soon Samsung releasing Combo players, I would expect Pioneer and the others to follow suit.

Why would Japanese companies with I.P. in Blu-ray follow Korean companies that do not?

Cees Alons · 06-30-2007, 05:23 AM

So what you're saying is: it's the manufacturers who prevent the format war from being ended.

Perhaps so, but I think they will fail in the end.

Cees

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I am format neutral - it's many of the studios, that's who are not!
And a few fanboys and followers.

Shawn Perron · 06-30-2007, 09:29 AM

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The format war is the only possible reason the HD disc market isn't going to be profitable and unless the format war ends soon, that won't change in my opinion.

No matter how many people say that, the same couple people keep coming back saying it's not true. Let's just wait a bit for the usual suspects to chime in.

Haha, they have spoken, and you can almost feel the pessimism.

One could get the impression that certain members would rather have both formats fail then to have the one they prefer lose.

ppltd · 06-30-2007, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by PeterTHX

Absolutely not.

Your opinion, not fact. We will see soon, though, an this argument point will become moot.

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Why would Japanese companies with I.P. in Blu-ray follow Korean companies that do not?

How about the obvious. To turn a profit.

ppltd · 06-30-2007, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Shawn Perron

No matter how many people say that, the same couple people keep coming back saying it's not true. Let's just wait a bit for the usual suspects to chime in.

That is because the same few people 'usual suspects' bring up the topic to begin with. Whenever low numbers are spoken about, these 'usual suspects' are sure to bring up the format war as the reason.

Cees Alons · 06-30-2007, 01:33 PM

Yes, and always with the same "solution": make one format disappear (not "theirs", of course: let other people suffer).

While two formats not a war doth make!

Cees

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I am format neutral - it's many of the studios, that's who are not!
And a few fanboys and followers.

Chris Gerhard · 06-30-2007, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Arnette

I was actually thinking in terms of the announcement affecting HD DVD sales negatively, but you're quite correct. It should also be interesting to see if the increased store presence BD receives from being placed in those additional 1.450 stores has any positive affect on BD sales.

Blockbuster purchasing inventory for the stores will be huge to the total Blu-ray sales. Just assuming 200 titles each store and you have 290,000 immediately and 1,000 each store will add 1,450,000 which surely has to happen by the end of the first year. This will almost double total sales of the format at the current rate for the year. If the stores can't start with an average of 2 each for a hundred different titles, I can't imagine it will be worth carrying.

Chris

Cees Alons · 06-30-2007, 02:39 PM

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Blockbuster purchasing inventory for the stores will be huge to the total Blu-ray sales.

Are those N/V sales numbers not direct consumers sales, but only retailers (stock) orders?

Cees

Fozziwig · 06-30-2007, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Jason Roer

This is an incredibly arrogant and downright stupid statement to make. You like Bluray - fine; it's a great format. But don't make a comment that insinuates Toshiba players are junk. They aren't. If that isn't what you meant, I'm sorry for this post. But I'm sick of Bluray supporters (or HD-DVD supporters for that matter) that keep going with this playschool mentality of "I like this so it's better than yours". Post after post these days makes me feel like I'm in elementary school again. It's pathetic.

Cheers,

Jason

I'm glad I made you feel young again Jason. I'm sorry (not really) if my opinion that Toshiba players are 'el cheapo' offends you but I won't be brow beaten into changing my personal opinion by you, thanks very much.

Your post indicates that you were somewhat riled but you'll have to take that up with Toshiba and their sell it fast, sell it cheap mentality.

Douglas Monce · 06-30-2007, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Gerhard

Blockbuster purchasing inventory for the stores will be huge to the total Blu-ray sales. Just assuming 200 titles each store and you have 290,000 immediately and 1,000 each store will add 1,450,000 which surely has to happen by the end of the first year. This will almost double total sales of the format at the current rate for the year. If the stores can't start with an average of 2 each for a hundred different titles, I can't imagine it will be worth carrying.