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Re: Universal's Spartacus
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The HD-DVD certainly is a spectacular improvement over not having the movie at all !  |
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09-01-2007, 01:51 AM
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Re: Universal's Spartacus
Oliver,
I think we agree that the HD of "Spartacus" is definitely not the great jump in quality compared with the SD and HD of "Grand Prix" for example.After just running a few comparisons between the HD and the Criterion, I still think there is an appreciable jump in quality with the HD,but perhaps not as much as there should have been !
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09-01-2007, 03:41 AM
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Re: Universal's Spartacus
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Oliver,
I think we agree that the HD of "Spartacus" is definitely not the great jump in quality compared with the SD and HD of "Grand Prix" for example.After just running a few comparisons between the HD and the Criterion, I still think there is an appreciable jump in quality with the HD,but perhaps not as much as there should have been !
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John,
we definitely can agree that there is an appreciable improvement in overall picture quality.
It is just that while this is the best version of the movie IMO it falls so short of what it could be that it's a very big disappointment overall.
And I think we need to be vocal about these things because let's face it - Universal dropped the ball on this one (and The Big Lebowski by the way) and they will not make a second version if nobody complains.
And it is not just about Spartacus - this will also help to make clear to studios that the customers will not want classics in ANY kind of quality but that we want them to make an effort. I hope that Sony understands this and will do justice to Lawrence, that Weinstein will pony up a nice version of at least El Cid for us to enjoy in HD and Universal better get those Hitchcock classics right when they release them  |
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09-01-2007, 04:48 AM
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Re: Universal's Spartacus
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And I think we need to be vocal about these things because let's face it - Universal dropped the ball on this one (and The Big Lebowski by the way) and they will not make a second version if nobody complains.
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I, for one, am not chipping in on this, just as I didn't with Fifth Element. On HD, they have to deliver the goods and this sure doesn't. |
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09-01-2007, 05:36 AM
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I, for one, am not chipping in on this, just as I didn't with Fifth Element. On HD, they have to deliver the goods and this sure doesn't.
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Exactly. Unfortunately I got Spartacus when it was released and before screenshots and adequately critical reviews were posted - call it impatience
Would i have gotten it with what I know now about how it looks ? Probably not.
If somebody really wants to watch Spartacus right now I would still recommend it as a rental if he has HD-DVD playback capability, but that's it. |
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09-01-2007, 04:42 PM
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Re: Universal's Spartacus
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John,
we definitely can agree that there is an appreciable improvement in overall picture quality.
It is just that while this is the best version of the movie IMO it falls so short of what it could be that it's a very big disappointment overall.
And I think we need to be vocal about these things because let's face it - Universal dropped the ball on this one (and The Big Lebowski by the way) and they will not make a second version if nobody complains.
And it is not just about Spartacus - this will also help to make clear to studios that the customers will not want classics in ANY kind of quality but that we want them to make an effort. I hope that Sony understands this and will do justice to Lawrence, that Weinstein will pony up a nice version of at least El Cid for us to enjoy in HD and Universal better get those Hitchcock classics right when they release them |
I agree and there is also no excuse for not having ANY extra features on this release. I mean they didn't even bother to drag out Laurent Bouzereau to do one of his patented cookie cutter making ofs. I mean at least it would have been SOMETHING!
Doug
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09-01-2007, 07:55 PM
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Re: Universal's Spartacus
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John,
And it is not just about Spartacus - this will also help to make clear to studios that the customers will not want classics in ANY kind of quality but that we want them to make an effort. I hope that Sony understands this and will do justice to Lawrence, that Weinstein will pony up a nice version of at least El Cid for us to enjoy in HD and Universal better get those Hitchcock classics right when they release them |
We are certainly in agreement over the above and Spartacus.When I think how long we have had to wait for what will be, hopefully ,an acceptable dvd of El Cid,you have to be concerned has to what the Studios will dish up. |
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09-02-2007, 08:48 AM
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Re: Universal's Spartacus
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I agree and there is also no excuse for not having ANY extra features on this release. I mean they didn't even bother to drag out Laurent Bouzereau to do one of his patented cookie cutter making ofs. I mean at least it would have been SOMETHING!
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Yep, shoddy quality AND no extras - nice way from Universal to show us how much they care. I am not that concerned about extras though when it comes to movies I have from Criterion - they're hard to beat in that regard and that's why I keep my Criterion of Spartacus. |
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09-02-2007, 09:23 AM
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Re: Universal's Spartacus
El Cid, as an independent production, needs to be properly preserved, with no elements created.
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09-02-2007, 04:30 PM
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Re: Universal's Spartacus
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El Cid, as an independent production, needs to be properly preserved, with no elements created.
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Very true, my last information pointed to the old digibeta masters as the probable source material Weinstein wanted to use for the DVD's.
Obviously being involved in film preservation and restoration of large format films for some time now you have far more insights into these matters than most, so I'd like to hear your thoughts on this:
Do you think that in the current ownership and distributor situation there is any chance at all of the Bronston movies including El Cid being preserved by going back to the original negatives ?
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09-02-2007, 06:11 PM
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Re: Universal's Spartacus
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Yep, shoddy quality AND no extras - nice way from Universal to show us how much they care. I am not that concerned about extras though when it comes to movies I have from Criterion - they're hard to beat in that regard and that's why I keep my Criterion of Spartacus.
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I was not overwhelmed with the extras on the Criterion of Spartacus. This is not to say that they were bad, I was just expecting more some how.
Doug
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