Blu-Ray 5th Element -> Possible Bad Transfer. - Page 2

Robert Crawford · 06-16-2006, 10:35 PM

Does every thread have to resort to what's been said over the last couple of posts? I really don't understand the sniping because it serves no real purpose other than to be argumentative.

Crawdaddy

PeterTHX · 06-16-2006, 11:16 PM

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Hell even if you are comparing these formats in terms of features, Bd is still just blowing smoke for the time being. These first Bd titles are DROPPING features from the standard res dvds to accomodate space and bit rate limitations. Now look at Constantine which not only ports over all the old features, but adds a running video commentary as well. And all reviews claim the video quality is still first rate if not reference.

You're referring to things decided at the *studio* level, not the format.

Everything you just described could be done by Warner on the Blu-ray version. On a single layer BR disc. Point is it can be done NOW if the studio so chose to.

Already you're seeing HD DVD discs comprimised for lack of space: the dual format disc of "16 Blocks" does NOT have a Dolby TrueHD track. Reason: it's a SINGLE layer HD DVD disc (15GB) on one side, DVD on the other.

Paul_Scott · 06-16-2006, 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Robert Crawford

Does every thread have to resort to what's been said over the last couple of posts? I really don't understand the sniping because it serves no real purpose other than to be argumentative.

you're right. sniping is tedious.
Previous post edited accordingly.

Pete T C · 06-17-2006, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Jesse Blacklow

For those looking to use TFE as a starting point to bash BD, it looks as if other titles aren't having the same problem. From a review of "50 First Dates":

50 First Dates also has a runtime of 30minutes less than 5th Element. It's possible/probable that Sony needed to roll off high freq detail to fit 5th element on a 25gb disc using the less efficient MPEG2 codec.

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Originally Posted by PeterTHX

Already you're seeing HD DVD discs comprimised for lack of space: the dual format disc of "16 Blocks" does NOT have a Dolby TrueHD track. Reason: it's a SINGLE layer HD DVD disc (15GB) on one side, DVD on the other.

Funny you mention that since hybrid DVD/HD is something Blu-Ray is technically incapable of, as Sony and JVC have called it quits on getting it to work. No fear though, there is a HDDVD30/DVD9 hybrid disc in the works; a lot more technically than can be said than for Blu-Ray's complete lack of hybrids.

Larry Sutliff · 06-17-2006, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Robert Crawford

Does every thread have to resort to what's been said over the last couple of posts? I really don't understand the sniping because it serves no real purpose other than to be argumentative.

Crawdaddy

Thank you.

Larry Sutliff · 06-17-2006, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by PeterTHX

You're referring to things decided at the *studio* level, not the format.

Everything you just described could be done by Warner on the Blu-ray version. On a single layer BR disc. Point is it can be done NOW if the studio so chose to.

Already you're seeing HD DVD discs comprimised for lack of space: the dual format disc of "16 Blocks" does NOT have a Dolby TrueHD track. Reason: it's a SINGLE layer HD DVD disc (15GB) on one side, DVD on the other.

According to the latest issue of WIDESCREEN REVIEW, the dual format discs are 30gb dual layer HD DVD on one side, and 9gb SD DVD on the other. RUMOR HAS IT looks as good or better than many of the regular HD DVD's released.

Larry Sutliff · 06-17-2006, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete T C

there is a HDDVD30/DVD9 hybrid disc in the works; a lot more technically than can be said than for Blu-Ray's complete lack of hybrids.

As referenced in my last post, Widescreen Review claims that this is what the current dual discs are.

Adam Tyner · 06-17-2006, 12:21 PM

Widescreen Review is, as far as I know, the only source making such a claim. I'm just about 100% certain they're wrong.

Another indicator -- flip over any HD DVD disc confirmed as being dual-layer and you'll see two barcodes on the inner ring -- one bar code for each layer. The combo discs only have one.

Larry Sutliff · 06-17-2006, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Adam Tyner

Widescreen Review is, as far as I know, the only source making such a claim. I'm just about 100% certain they're wrong.

It might have been a typo. Anyway, RUMOR HAS IT does look very nice, but it is only 93 minutes. Haven't seen any other dual discs yet.

Rob_HD · 06-17-2006, 03:13 PM

OK - back on topic.

I think everyone may be overlooking the obvious here.

Because this disc is only 20 or 25 Gigs and they're using Mpeg2, I think they had to filter and soften the image before encoding, or it would not have fit on the disc.

Reports are that other titles such as Terminator 2 have been "excessively softened".

It's an encoding trick that allows the encoder not to have to compress a lot of detail, and saves a huge amount of space on the disc.

Back up evidence is that they still didn't have enough space for the Mpeg 2 on some titles and had to throw out some of the bonus features...

Everyone seems to be reporting that the detail is missing in these titles.

Don't blame the studios for a bad master - blame Sony for a poor encoding job with too much filtering, because they could get Mpeg 2 to fit on a smaller disc than they were supposed to have...