Disney, Lions Gate and Fox to HD DVD? Also MGM See Post #94 - Page 4

Lew Crippen · 06-04-2006, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Rob_HD

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Perhaps at this point the best thing to do is to wait till the 25th of this month to see what is actually released and whether these movies end up on 20 G, 25 G, 40 G or 50 G discs.

Sort of my point about the petition Rob.

So far there is nothing but rumors as to that disk production. Or at least nothing that points to any long-term problem.

If the sources in the petition were authoritative, we would all know and not be speculating.

Jesse Blacklow · 06-04-2006, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Rob_HD

I think the original point was that 50 G BD ROMs have manufacturing problems. This was rebutted by a statement that 50 G Recordable BDs are shipping in Japan, which I addressed by pointing out that this is a different product than the 50 G BD ROMs required for the movies.

And you've based your point to the one made in the petition by a link to an anonymous post on another forum on the hddvd.org website, a quote of that same post, a link to a news article refuting the point being made (brilliant!), and hearsay from another poster. Tell me again how anyone at a studio would even begin to take all of that seriously. And that's just from one point!

Nils Luehrmann · 06-04-2006, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Rob_HD

I think the original point was that 50 G BD ROMs have manufacturing problems. This was rebutted by a statement that 50 G Recordable BDs are shipping in Japan, which I addressed by pointing out that this is a different product than the 50 G BD ROMs required for the movies.

Of course, there is no proof that there are any manufacturing problems that will prevent studios from using 50GB BD ROMs in the near future, so there is no need to rebut that point of speculation (not fact).

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Perhaps at this point the best thing to do is to wait till the 25th of this month to see what is actually released and whether these movies end up on 20 G, 25 G, 40 G or 50 G discs.

And that would tell you what exactly? The first DVD releases in 1997 were not dual-layer, and in fact it wasn't until 1998 that studios began to use dual-layer DVD with any regularity. I believe the first title from Warner to use a dual-layer DVD was Contact, and that wasn't released until December of 1997.

The difference here is that while HD DVD is limited to 30GB, Blu-ray is not, and could eventually release 100GB or greater discs.

Rob_HD · 06-05-2006, 06:25 PM

OK - There's now a petition online for MGM and it seems that rdjam has yielded to calls to make it 'friendlier".

Let's see if that's help it be the most successful petition on here yet

The petition is at - http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/MGM_on_HD_DVD

Ricardo C · 06-05-2006, 07:01 PM

Just a quick comment:

The thread's title, " Disney, Lions Gate and Fox to HD DVD??" is misleading to say the least. I noticed the thread today, and thought it would be a discussion about an announcement or, at least, a rumor about such an event. Instead, I find a link to a petition. Come on, now. Although it's late in the discussion, is there any chance a mod could remove the question marks since, as it currently stand, all they denote is wishful thinking on the original poster's part?

Rob_HD · 06-05-2006, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Nils Luehrmann

Of course, there is no proof that there are any manufacturing problems that will prevent studios from using 50GB BD ROMs in the near future, so there is no need to rebut that point of speculation (not fact).

There's no "proof" that all initial BD ROM releases from the various studios are going to be Single Layer and Mpg2, either, but it would still be futile to deny it, as all the insiders have stated that is what will be - the same insiders who have stated that BD ROM DL 50 Gig discs are having major production issues.

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The difference here is that while HD DVD is limited to 30GB, Blu-ray is not, and could eventually release 100GB or greater discs.

The BD player specs only support 2 layer discs at a maximum. Folks can promise 20 layer discs for what it's worth, but there'll never be movies out on them that'll play on all the machines sold.

The difference with DVD is that the players supported the extra layer from the start. BD ROM (and HD DVD) players are set at 2 layer.

DaViD Boulet · 06-05-2006, 08:09 PM

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The difference with DVD is that the players supported the extra layer from the start. BD ROM (and HD DVD) players are set at 2 layer.

Hugh?

First-gen BD players support dual-layer BD roms just like first-gen DVD players supported dual-layer DVD roms. DVD was also set to 2 layers.

I don't see the difference your comment suggests?

Rob_HD · 06-05-2006, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by DaViD Boulet

Hugh?

First-gen BD players support dual-layer BD roms just like first-gen DVD players supported dual-layer DVD roms. DVD was also set to 2 layers.

I don't see the difference your comment suggests?

Please read the post again - I was referring to to the inference that 8 layer BD ROM movies discs might appear by comparing the situation to when dual layer SD DVDs shipped later on after the introduction of the format.

The "extra layer" in the case of HD DVD and Bluray referred to layer 3 and upwards...

I suspect it's possible that you already know that this what was meant, but thought I'd clarify it anyway... BD ROM players will not be able to play anything above BD ROM DL 50 Gig.

DaViD Boulet · 06-05-2006, 09:18 PM

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I suspect it's possible that you already know that this what was meant

No I did not. Otherwise I wouldn't have asked.

Niether I, nor most members at HTF, make deliberate attempts to confuse communication by dishonest remarks.

Thanks for clarifying. What confused me was the phrase "extra layer" referring to DVD... it never had an "extra" layer... dual-layer was supported and in produciton from the start which was why I got confused.

I now understand the context of your statements. Yes, quite true... the "movie" spec for BD only incorporates 2 layers (50 gig). Which is a shame IMO, I would have liked to have seen 100 gig playback in the spec though maybe that would have been impossible without production media to test so early on.

Rob_HD · 06-05-2006, 09:22 PM

There is a new petition for MGM to release on HD DVD also.

It is at - http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htf/...d.php?t=235949

A separate thread is appropriate, as it is a new "friendly" version - looks like rdjam has decided to avoid more "debate" on the threads by keeping it simple.

I recommend that all HD DVD owners send this to their friends and post wherever you can.

They are looking for at least 500 signatures - so far the Disney petition stands at almost 250...

DaViD Boulet · 06-05-2006, 09:53 PM

Rob_HD,

if you have any way at all of relaying these sentiments to our friend rdjam

please let him know that he's managed to write a petition that is balanced, accurate, and sticks to the facts-at-hand relevent to the consumer-interests that a studio would consider germane to the discussion:

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We the undersigned would ask that MGM support the HD DVD disc format by releasing titles to this format as soon as possible.

HD DVD has had a successful launch to market and offers the best picture and sound available, with the best video and audio encoding.

While we recognize that you had previously chosen to release on the Bluray format, we feel that it would make sense for you to support both formats, as there are many owners that exist for HD DVD now, and there are apparently still technical challenges which Bluray will need to overcome before it can offer what HD DVD does today.

Compared to what was expected of the two formats last year, we feel that HD DVD has come closer to delivering what we want, and would prefer to choose from your releases on this format.

Please hear our call to support this fantastic format. From most reports, it is less expensive to release on HD DVD, and there is a substantial market awaiting your releases on HD DVD.

We would be tremendously excited to hear some positive news from you in this regard