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Old 06-02-2006, 11:32 AM   #61 of 114
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Re: Disney, Lions Gate and Fox to HD DVD??


This time the link worked.

Nothing but a copy and paste from the two prior petitions—you can consider that I have also done a copy and paste from prior comments on the prior petitions.



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Old 06-02-2006, 01:23 PM   #62 of 114
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Re: Disney, Lions Gate and Fox to HD DVD??


Rob_HD,

Yet a third time you're posting this petition and *still* not even a single edit to "clean up" the mess with the mis-represented information it contains?

As an example of a bogus arguement for HD DVD support (one of the reasons suggested in the petition why FOX should support HD DVD):

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8) The upscaling of regular Standard Definition (SD) DVDs in these first HD DVD players has proven to be stunning. Many users are now buying the HD DVD players for that reason, so that they can continue to make the best of their existing SD DVD libraries until they have HD DVD libraries. http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...3&page=1&pp=30

Since all Blu-ray players will upconvert too, maybe that has NOTHING to do with the HD DVD format at all?




Clearly all the good advice on this forum and at AVS has been completely ignored.

Condolences to the serious pro-HD DVD enthusiasts who would actually have wanted to studios to take the "please support HD DVD" request seriously.



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Old 06-02-2006, 02:24 PM   #63 of 114
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Those who support these petitions can feel free to report antagonistic and unhelpful posts in this thread to the Moderators, by clicking on the "!" report button at the bottom left of the post.

You do not need to reply, and it is probably better that you do not.
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Old 06-02-2006, 02:49 PM   #64 of 114
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Re: Disney, Lions Gate and Fox to HD DVD??


Most of the criticisms have been *extremely* helpful... if the petition writer was interested in taking some of the advice and making constructive changes to present a legitimate-sounding petition to the studios in order to garner real support for the HD DVD format.



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Old 06-02-2006, 03:12 PM   #65 of 114
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In case numbers are convincing, I'll chime in. The petition amounts to "You should release movies on HD-DVD because some guy on the internet told me that Blu Ray sucks." I can't imagine this being very persuasive even if it had a bunch of signatures.


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Old 06-02-2006, 03:13 PM   #66 of 114
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Most of the criticisms have been *extremely* helpful... if the petition writer was interested in taking some of the advice and making constructive changes to present a legitimate-sounding petition to the studios in order to garner real support for the HD DVD format.
It's possible that some people's "opinions" on what someone else should say are not necessarily "the right" advice. This is particularly true when it is plain that the opinion-giver does not share a common desire for HD DVD to succeed.

The petition seems specifically designed to bring these potential problems to light - "outing" them (or just the possibility that they may seem to exist) for both the studios and other decision-makers to see.

Just because some of the information came from insider discussions on AV forums does not mean that it is "false" information, only that it has not been formally confirmed.

The petition clearly seeks to prod the studios into getting to the bottom of the issues themselves - which they are perfectly capable of doing - and making their own judgement calls.

Most of the "advice" given by non HD DVD supporters here has been to remove any and all discussion of these potentially damaging bits of information. Quite natural considering that you support the other format. Just don't expect anyone to feel guilty for not obeying those "instructions".

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Old 06-02-2006, 03:16 PM   #67 of 114
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Re: Disney, Lions Gate and Fox to HD DVD??


Do you seriously think the studios aren't paying attention to this, or that if they aren't, that a petition siting anonymous internet sources will change their minds?


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Old 06-02-2006, 03:26 PM   #68 of 114
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Do you seriously think the studios aren't paying attention to this, or that if they aren't, that a petition siting anonymous internet sources will change their minds?
The sources cited were not anonymous, and sometimes folks at various levels in a company are not aware of "everything" that may be going wrong over at a different company.
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Old 06-02-2006, 03:35 PM   #69 of 114
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Re: Disney, Lions Gate and Fox to HD DVD??


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The sources cited were not anonymous, and sometimes folks at various levels in a company are not aware of "everything" that may be going wrong over at a different company.

So you're saying that three members of the official Blu-ray Disc Association might not know what's going on with the format? I think they'd be more "in-the-know" than either yourself or some rumor posting member of AVSforum.
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Old 06-02-2006, 03:40 PM   #70 of 114
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Re: Disney, Lions Gate and Fox to HD DVD??


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It's possible that some people's "opinions" on what someone else should say are not necessarily "the right" advice. This is particularly true when it is plain that the opinion-giver does not share a common desire for HD DVD to succeed.
How is it opinion when it is clearly stated in the petition that the majority of this information is hearsay from internet message boards and blogs?
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The petition seems specifically designed to bring these potential problems to light - "outing" them (or just the possibility that they may seem to exist) for both the studios and other decision-makers to see.
No, it's specifically designed as a smear campaign. This isn't a petition so much as fan-based attack, supported--at the very least with signatures--by those who stand to make a profit off of HD DVD. Every sucessful petition is based on fact, not rumor, yet half of these "potential problems" come from a forum with definite HD DVD industry representation, if not advertisement. And it fails to mention any of the shortcomings of the format (duplication problems, lack of CE support, existing shortcomings and problems with hardware and software, etc.). Using my previous examples, "Star Wars" fans admitted the existence of the OT on laserdisc and VHS, and "Veronica Mars" fans were more than willing to admit poor ratings.
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Just because some of the information came from insider discussions on AV forums does not mean that it is "false" information, only that it has not been formally confirmed.
No, but it is internet hearsay, which is roughly equivalent to the "National Enquirer" to those who actually make important business decisions worth billions of dollars.
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The petition clearly seeks to prod the studios into getting to the bottom of the issues themselves - which they are perfectly capable of doing - and making their own judgement calls.
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sometimes folks at various levels in a company are not aware of "everything" that may be going wrong over at a different company.
Any studio that's not already more aware of any problems with either format has greater problems than picking the losing side. Anyone who believes that there isn't anyone in the management strata of the studios that knows as much if not more than we do is fooling themselves.
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Most of the "advice" given by non HD DVD supporters here has been to remove any and all discussion of these potentially damaging bits of information.
Really? Point out where anyone explicitly asked that this discussion be removed. The majority of the comment has been directed to towards the speculative (and manipulative) nature of the petition and it's spreading across several posts/forums.



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Old 06-02-2006, 03:45 PM   #71 of 114
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Re: Disney, Lions Gate and Fox to HD DVD??


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The sources cited were not anonymous, and sometimes folks at various levels in a company are not aware of "everything"