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06-26-2008, 11:04 PM
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Douglas Monce
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Sony has lost over $3 billion on the PS3
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06-27-2008, 12:43 AM
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Re: Sony has lost over $3 billion on the PS3
And?
high resolution ipod featuring dlp hd programming is the best, almost as good as playstation 2 with wega windows media on a super cd! ps2 and tivo do dolby tv with broadband hdtv!
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06-27-2008, 01:17 AM
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Douglas Monce
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Re: Sony has lost over $3 billion on the PS3
Just thought it was interesting. I happen to own one myself.
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06-27-2008, 11:17 AM
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Re: Sony has lost over $3 billion on the PS3
Wow.
We own one too. Have yet to play a game on it. 
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06-27-2008, 01:48 PM
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Re: Sony has lost over $3 billion on the PS3
How much of that $3bn do you think Sony have clawed back in software sales through Blu Ray DVD and (in particular) Games?
These are both high profit margin assets of the PS3 - Sony's policy on selling the PS3 hardware at a loss is subsidised because they can claw much of it back on software.
However, make no mistake. If Blu-Ray had been developed by any corporation other than Sony, it - and perhaps with it the PS3 - would have long since perished.
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06-27-2008, 02:18 PM
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Re: Sony has lost over $3 billion on the PS3
Either I've lost my mind or a post I made in this thread was deleted?
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It's appeared again? Must be a problem with my connection!
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06-27-2008, 04:05 PM
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Re: Sony has lost over $3 billion on the PS3
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How much of that $3bn do you think Sony have clawed back in software sales through Blu Ray DVD and (in particular) Games?
These are both high profit margin assets of the PS3 - Sony's policy on selling the PS3 hardware at a loss is subsidised because they can claw much of it back on software.
However, make no mistake. If Blu-Ray had been developed by any corporation other than Sony, it - and perhaps with it the PS3 - would have long since perished.
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I suspect they maybe starting to make money on Games, but I doubt seriously that they are on blu-ray movies yet.
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Wow.
We own one too. Have yet to play a game on it. |
I have exactly 2 games that I have played once each.
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06-27-2008, 07:33 PM
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Re: Sony has lost over $3 billion on the PS3
SONY stubbed their toe big time by having such a weak starting line up of games. They focussed so much on the Blu-ray side of things that they forgot that the majority of purchasers of the system would be playing games first and watching movies second.
I like the system well enough but it is also a perfect demonstration of why "convergence" boxes may not necessarily be the holy grail that CE companies think they are. As a movie player, I have noted some weaknesses. The lack of analog outs being one of the biggest ones. I also think that it is not a very good DVD player, but it excels at playing BDs.
As a game box, the biggest weaknesses are the speed of the BD drive and the lack of ability to upscale 720p game material to 1080p.
One of the biggest complaints I have read from gamers is the need to install a lot of the games from disc to hard drive. Coming from a PC background, installing games to the hard drive doesn't bother me much, but it seems to drive a lot of console gamers bonkers. The fact is, though, is that eventually loading to a hard drive is going to become mandatory on all of these consoles, except the WII. Graphics and sound are becoming more and more complex and I just cannot see console games continuing to run from the DVD/BD drives indefinitely.
In some ways, SONY was way ahead of the curve with this system and in others way behind. It remains to be seen if their gamble pays off. I still think that it eventually will, but they will still lose money for a while yet.
On another note, I wonder if their money troubles were partly responsible for their decision to sell their cell processor division to Toshiba. I wonder whether their cel processor technology is being used in Toshiba's attempt to resurrect a shitty red laser based HD system, also known as super DVD.
SONY may end up regretting selling that technology to Toshiba.
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06-27-2008, 07:37 PM
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I suspect they maybe starting to make money on Games, but I doubt seriously that they are on blu-ray movies yet.
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I shall assume you are taking into account the cost of research & development that went into creating Blu Ray in the first place? Or that many Blu Ray discs bought are not used with a PS3?
The alternative would be to imply that the cost of authorship, production and distribution for Blu Ray is higher than the value at which the discs retail.
I am not sure which of the two you are suggesting (if either)?
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06-27-2008, 07:47 PM
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They focussed so much on the Blu-ray side of things that they forgot that the majority of purchasers of the system would be playing games first and watching movies second.
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You must surely take into account that the biggest investment was made in Blu Ray. Sony simply couldn't afford to lose the HD format war, bearing in mind that they bore the brunt of the cost for developing Blu Ray in the first place. You are right, the emphasis was placed on Blu Ray as a film distribution medium rather than on the quality of gaming the PS3 might provide, but it couldn't have been any other way.
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As a movie player, I have noted some weaknesses. The lack of analog outs being one of the biggest ones. I also think that it is not a very good DVD player, but it excels at playing BDs.
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Do you have any objective evidence to support these claims? Analogue outputs are available and with the latest firmware updates the Playstation 3 is to my eyes a very competent DVD player - it can certainly go toe to toe with a lot of dedicated hardware in this regard, even if it can't quite trade punches with the very best (such as Oppo Digital's efforts and the bigger Denon units).
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As a game box, the biggest weaknesses are the speed of the BD drive and the lack of ability to upscale 720p game material to 1080p.
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Why would you want to? Remember that graphics, unlike video, are generated rather than simply 'decoded'. Scaling would in this instance be akin to describing a dollar as 'four quarters' - you are conveying the same detail using more (unnecessary) information.
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On another note, I wonder if their money troubles were partly responsible for their decision to sell their cell processor division to Toshiba. I wonder whether their cel processor technology is being used in Toshiba's attempt to resurrect a shitty red laser based HD system, also known as super DVD.
SONY may end up regretting selling that technology to Toshiba.
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Has it been sold to Toshiba? I was under the impression it has been licensed, and that Toshiba had a hand in the research & development of the Cell processor. I was also under the impression that Toshiba were using the Cell in their latest generation of flat screen televisions to power their EPG.
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06-27-2008, 08:47 PM
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You must surely take into account that the biggest investment was made in Blu Ray. Sony simply couldn't afford to lose the HD format war, bearing in mind that they bore the brunt of the cost for developing Blu Ray in the first place. You are right, the emphasis was placed on Blu Ray as a film distribution medium rather than on the quality of gaming the PS3 might provide, but it couldn't have been any other way.
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