Official Panasonic DMP-BD10 Blu-Ray player thread - Page 4

Grant H · 10-17-2006, 09:39 AM

I'm guessing Dave's comment meant something along the lines of "Is it really going to happen?"

I can't knock him for not believing it until he sees it. But the fact Panasonic supplied an actual card to mail in and it's not "a mysterious Panasonic insider says..." inclines me to take them at their world.

But I've been wrong before.

Is it true the Pioneer player isn't going to offer DD True HD or DTS HD? As often ast they've delayed it, you'd think they could pack in everything.

DaViD Boulet · 10-17-2006, 09:55 AM

Panny has always been good about firmware updates for their DVD players... they started doing that before it was the "in thing" with electronic consumer gear. So there's a good manufacturer history there with providing updates... and yeah, the card gives me confidence that the particular issue of advanced audio is one they are going to do right.

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Is it true the Pioneer player isn't going to offer DD True HD or DTS HD? As often ast they've delayed it, you'd think they could pack in everything.

agreed. I've heard reports from those who've spoken with the Pioneer reps that they just don't understand why enthusiasts care about these new features. Let's hope they've managed to "get it" and are delaying the player to incorportate the goods...

Grant H · 10-17-2006, 11:06 AM

It was 10 years ago that I picked up a Panasonic HiFi 4head VCR (using scholarship money to pay for it!), and that puppy runs as well today as the day I got it. It was the only player I could find at the time that was actually built in Japan and didn't have an ultra-noisy picture. I guess it had come in 2nd to (surprisingly, at the time, a Samsung I believe) in an electronics magazine test. Oh, the old days.

Both Panasonic and Pioneer have earned my respect though, as I bought a used Pioneer LD/DVD combo unit that still works great (anyone else admire the raw power of a LD player motor), and the the $70 Pioneer DVD players I picked up at Wal-Mart a couple years ago have ended up my favorite players (but only because I let the iScan do the de-interlacing).

I'm definitely keeping an eye out for the next-gen Pannys, in hopes they will only improve and not subtract any features (in which case I go looking for markdowns).

And I'll hope Pioneer gets it together too. How can they be "Elite" if they don't have all the bells and whistles? And here's a company that's been well known for AUDIO gear!

But then there's the PS3 that could be too great a value to pass up. But can I live without lossless audio (if it doesn't end up offering it through analog means) considering the amount of time I watch movies vs. play games? Then again, it's not like it's some crappy game system. Aahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!

Dave Moritz · 10-17-2006, 11:16 AM

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I'm guessing Dave's comment meant something along the lines of "Is it really going to happen?"

That is what I was wondering if it was actually going to happen. Panasonic would not have been my first choice for a Blu-ray player. So if I did end up buying it I would be really pissed off if that upgrade did not happen.

I might just be looking into the Panny after all not entirely sure yet.

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agreed. I've heard reports from those who've spoken with the Pioneer reps that they just don't understand why enthusiasts care about these new features. Let's hope they've managed to "get it" and are delaying the player to incorportate the goods...

I believe that one of the videos from this years CEDIA show included the Pioneer Blu-ray player. And if I remember correctly the Pioneer rep was asked about HDMI 1.3 availability. And the reply was something like "oh you guys are all about the new codex's". Not sure why you wouldn't want to include the newest technology for a cutting edge product? Sony seems to be taking the same route with there own player. No internal decoding and no HDMI 1.3. I thought thats why these players where being pushed back so many times. That they where looking to do it right and offer these technologies. But at this time I don't think the Pioneer is going to offer anything but 1080p video also including mp3 and mpeg video playback off of your pc network. Not sure what other new features the Pioneer will have but it seems to be missing the really important ones!

GoldenRedux · 10-17-2006, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave Moritz

That is what I was wondering if it was actually going to happen. Panasonic would not have been my first choice for a Blu-ray player. So if I did end up buying it I would be really pissed off if that upgrade did not happen.

I understand your position, but seeing as how there is an actual card in the box informing everyone about the firmware upgrade to support these codecs, I think it is safe to assume that it will indeed happen, otherwise Panasonic is setting themselves up for some serious bad will and perhaps even a class action lawsuit.

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I believe that one of the videos from this years CEDIA show included the Pioneer Blu-ray player. And if I remember correctly the Pioneer rep was asked about HDMI 1.3 availability. And the reply was something like "oh you guys are all about the new codex's". Not sure why you wouldn't want to include the newest technology for a cutting edge product? Sony seems to be taking the same route with there own player. No internal decoding and no HDMI 1.3. I thought thats why these players where being pushed back so many times. That they where looking to do it right and offer these technologies. But at this time I don't think the Pioneer is going to offer anything but 1080p video also including mp3 and mpeg video playback off of your pc network. Not sure what other new features the Pioneer will have but it seems to be missing the really important ones!

Not to mention they only have 5.1 and not 7.1 analogue outputs. That is ridiculous, IMO. The Panasonic is looking like the way to go for me.

Dave Moritz · 10-17-2006, 12:30 PM

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Not to mention they only have 5.1 and not 7.1 analogue outputs. That is ridiculous, IMO. The Panasonic is looking like the way to go for me.

That is one of the reasons I am rethinking this matter and may end up getting a Panasonic. The other alternative is to wait for 2nd generation Bluray player with HDMI 1.3 to come out. I am planing on buying a next generation reciever anyway. One with Dolby True HD and DTS-HD Master Audio decoding available. That will just mean that I will allready have a pre-exsisting Bluray library once I buy a player, if I decided to put it off and wait for HDMI 1.3.

I am just very impatient and want's my 1080p precious now, I must have the precious!

GoldenRedux · 10-17-2006, 01:02 PM

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That is one of the reasons I am rethinking this matter and may end up getting a Panasonic. The other alternative is to wait for 2nd generation Bluray player with HDMI 1.3 to come out. I am planing on buying a next generation reciever anyway. One with Dolby True HD and DTS-HD Master Audio decoding available. That will just mean that I will allready have a pre-exsisting Bluray library once I buy a player, if I decided to put it off and wait for HDMI 1.3.

I understand, believe me, but I have no plans to buy a new A/VR anytime soon. My Sony DA4ES is just fine, and it has two sets of analogue multichannel inputs - a 5.1 and a 7.1, plus I have a Zektor 3x1 5.1 multichannel switcher. All I need is the player to do the decoding. Maybe in another 2 or 3 years I'll be ready for a new receiver.

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I am just very impatient and want's my 1080p precious now, I must have the precious!

Myyeeeehhhh PREh-Shussssssssssss....

BTW, I just pulled the trigger on the Panny at Abt Electronics, but they are out of stock already. It's showing 7 to 14 days, but we all know it could be far longer than that.

Dave Moritz · 10-17-2006, 02:16 PM

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I understand, believe me, but I have no plans to buy a new A/VR anytime soon. My Sony DA4ES is just fine, and it has two sets of analogue multichannel inputs - a 5.1 and a 7.1, plus I have a Zektor 3x1 5.1 multichannel switcher. All I need is the player to do the decoding. Maybe in another 2 or 3 years I'll be ready for a new receiver.

I am in a different boat myself, I have had my current Yamaha RX-V995 since about late 1997. This reciever has no assignable digital or video inputs. It has no HD compatible video and only has one 5.1 analog input which is being used for my Toshiba HD-A1 currently. It was being used for my Denon DVD-2200 for multi-channel SACD and DVD-A. I can not justify spending money on a current model reciever without HDMI 1.3 and without the advanced audio decoder. I have no doubt that the decoder in the recievers will be superior IMHO to the decoder that is in any of the HD players right now. I might even go as far to say that even the 2nd gen players will not use the quality of d