Looks like Image Constraint Token (ICT) won't be used until 2010

Todd H · 05-23-2006, 07:15 AM

At least according to this article...

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20060521-6880.html

Randy Korstick · 05-23-2006, 10:44 AM

Considering how many HDTV owners don't have an HDMI connection that would be a smart move to boast sales on players. Being an owner with Component only I hope its true.

Ryan-G · 05-23-2006, 02:59 PM

I'd suspect this may change due to P2P piracy issues earlier than 2010 unless something is done about the problem. The whole point of the ICT was because of P2P piracy, and if the encryptions get cracked, I'd expect ICT to pop up alot sooner.

Cees Alons · 05-23-2006, 03:26 PM

The guys who have planted that semtex bomb under my house and have a wire running to it, also promised not to use it until 2010. I really like them so much more now.
Yet, I'd rather they defused the bomb, i.e. removed the device altogether. I would even start to believe them more readily then.

Cees

Nils Luehrmann · 05-23-2006, 04:32 PM

I'm sure there are a lot of bootleggers that would really like them to do that as well. Fortunately, there is no indication that even with ICT flagged discs that the result of playing one will mean any kind of explosion or even equipment failure, but I guess we will have to wait for a ICT flagged disc to be released to know for sure.

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Rachael B · 05-23-2006, 05:22 PM

Can they leave 1080i alone and only encrypt 1080p? That seems like a good long term solution. Even by 2010, there would proably stille be quite a few HDTV's left with no HDMI input.

Cees Alons · 05-23-2006, 05:48 PM

Last night someone was shitting on my roof. Totally illegal, of course. Had no right to be there in the first place. No right at all, sir. Cost me money, to clean the mess up. Not to mention other disadvantages of that dirty SOB sitting there.
He felt insecure from that bomb too, he too wished it would be defused.

You know what? That wish of this stinker didn't make my own desire for a removal any more invalid. Nor did it enhance my trust in the persons holding the control button.

Cees

Ryan-G · 05-23-2006, 06:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cees Alons

You know what? That wish of this stinker didn't make my own desire for a removal any more invalid. Nor did it enhance my trust in the persons holding the control button.

Cees

We've covered this before Cees and I can't recall if we agreed or disagreed, but the primary problem is P2P. That's why the ICT exists in the first place, and it's why it'll be used someday.

The studios don't particularly care what kind of inputs are used, so long as it doesn't result in widespread disemmination of their material for free.

Old Pirates, the one's who've been bootlegging for years and selling at flea markets, have never made a huge impact on sales outside of China and other countries where there is no enforcement.

But now there are new Pirates, P2P has put the ability to pirate in many people's hands who otherwise would not have pirated material. Turn on the computer, couple of mouse clicks, download TV/Movies for free and in very good quality.

With the new Pirates have come more brazen entries into Piracy, now they not only sell at flea markets and to a few locals, and give it away to their friends, they E-bay it too under the guise of legal material.

P2P has facilitated the creation of a whole new order of Piracy, one which has significant financial implications. Further, it's only going to grow from here.

Lawsuits haven't stopped it, or slowed it down. Governments have failed to address widespread theft. The Studios have to do something to insure they don't lose the majority of their revenue streams, and this is it.

So Cees, if you want "The bomb diffused" you're first going to have to go after the Timer. P2P. As long as the P2P Timer is ticking, the ICT explosives will remain armed.

Cause and effect...P2P -> ICT.

Cees Alons · 05-23-2006, 06:39 PM

Ryan,

You've indeed brought that forward before.

But in this case it's beside the point: we're talking about that fact that the ICT won't be used at all (supposedly until 2010). Not about against whom it would be used if it was. It isn't. So no measure against P2P people, or whoever.

And we're also talking about the question of whether we, the consumer, should feel happy, warm and reassured that it won't be used until 2010.

Cees

Lew Crippen · 05-23-2006, 06:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cees Alons

The guys who have planted that semtex bomb under my house and have a wire running to it, also promised not to use it until 2010. I really like them so much more now.
Yet, I'd rather they defused the bomb, i.e. removed the device altogether. I would even start to believe them more readily then.

Cees

Détente in our time.

Lew Crippen · 05-23-2006, 06:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cees Alons

Ryan,

You've indeed brought that forward before.

But in this case it's beside the point: we're talking about that fact that the ICT won't be used at all (supposedly until 2010). Not about against whom it would be used if it was. It isn't. So no measure against P2P people, or whoever.

And we're also talking about the question of whether we, the consumer, should feel happy, warm and reassured that it won't be used until 2010.

Cees

Not to be overly cynical, but anyone who believes that what is discussed in the boardroom is the same as suggestions given to the public is a bit naïve.

The studio will do what they believe to be in the best interests of their stockholders. This is not necessarily the same as what is best for consumers.

No one should be surprised if some of the studios come to believe that setting the ICT bit is in the best interests of their stockholders. Especially if we begin to see bootlegs that can (or reasonably can) be attributable to HD pirating.