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Old 05-25-2005, 05:05 PM   #1 of 13
Linda Thompson
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A question about certain targeted advertising at HTF


General question to Ron or Parker --

Do you guys have any control at all over the Google ads which show up here at HTF? Is there any way that either of you can specifically reject any particular ad?

The reason I ask is that, quite frankly, some of those Google ads are pretty...ummm, how can I put this euphemistically?..."questionable". (Questionable in their own right, but doubly underscored by any perceived association with a site with the reputation of this one.)

A specific case in point:

http://ultimatetvshows.com/index.asp...sites_20_1_200

Given stated forum policy on certain issues, I just don't think that these sorts of ads need to be here. In fact, their inclusion on this site (or, their simply being allowed to be presented here) strikes me as more than a bit hypocritical in light of the HTF's good reputation and stated purposes and policies. It is just NOT a good juxtoposition. (Personal opinion, of course.)

Of course, all Google advertising suffers from a certain problem: ALL of their ads...even the legit ones...lose effectiveness (i.e. - they tend to fall off the radar of folks who prefer not to deal in grey areas or get tangled up with questionable vendors), solely as a result of their misfortune in being parcelled out alongside such questionable ads. A few bad apples CAN spoil the whole bunch, and busy folks get tired of constatnly trying to separate the legit from the non-legit, so they simply reach the point of ignoring ALL the ads...

But, the bigger problem, and my main point, is that the inclusion of such obvious "bad apples" on legitimate sites (such as HTF) can cast a rather questionable (even if unintended) shadow.

I can well understand that the specifics of the Google ads may be beyond your control, and that the money to be made probably makes it seem worth the reputational risk. (I disagree, but I'm not the one paying the bills, so that's not my call to make. But, as a member, I do feel that I have the right to at least question and comment.)

That being said, I guess I'm writing this in the hopes that you two DO have some measure of control over the Google ad content, and that some of these have just somehow slipped by...

Bottom line...it just really bothers me seeing ads for sites advocating piracy (and, let's admit it...that's all that particular site is offering), here at HTF, and I'm hoping that that situation is something that you two can -- and will -- do something about.

At the very least, even if the situation is beyond your reasonable control and there's nothing you can do about it, I hope you will at least agree that ads such as the one I pointed out above are totally inappropriate here at HTF. Other types of "questionable" ads don't bother me nearly as much (they're mostly just cases of "buyer beware"), but this one really leaves a bad taste in my mouth due to the fact that it is so totally opposite of everything that HTF is supposed to stand for.

Please know that these comments are NOT directed toward either of you two, since I'm assuming that this "deal with the devil" is either totally beyond your control and thus bothers you as much as, and for the same reasons, it bothers me -- as opposed to being something that you're actively choosing to endorse -- OR that such ads have simply escaped your notice, if you do have any measure of control over the Google content.

Thank you for reading, and please feel free to delete this post/thread if either of you deems it inappropriate for any reason. It is NOT intended to question forum policy or any aspect of site administration, but I can understand it being perceived as such. If that is the case, please accept my apology in advance.

Believe me, my only concern in addressing this issue is that I consider this particular ad, displayed on THIS site and advocating what it's advocating, to be a slap in the face to the HTF itself (and all it stands for) and a bruise to its reputation. I'm simply hoping that there might be some resolution to the situation.
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Old 05-25-2005, 05:30 PM   #2 of 13
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Addendum to above post:

Hadn't seen this one in a while, but, coincidentally enough, it came up on the "Software - TV Shows" page very shortly after I submitted my original post:

http://tv.org/index.php?revshare=aff_chest1_30_3_200

This one comes up as "Download TV Shows". The one mentioned in my original post shows up as "Download You're TV Shows" (SIC; the same error is repeated in the site description in the ad box).

Not ideal targeted advertising for HTF.
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Old 05-25-2005, 10:49 PM   #3 of 13
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Another, currently on the "Software - TV Shows" page (displaying as "Download TV Shows Here"):

http://www.completemovies.com/index1.html

A quick search turned up (among many other things) this blog discussion:

http://www.inthefaith.com/blog/archives/000811.php

At the risk of beating that poor proverbial dead horse to a pulp...these ads, displayed here at HTF, are pretty pathetic, and I feel that you would be well within your rights to complain to Google. Such sites are of very questionable legality, and any association (or even PERCEIVED association) with HTF -- even just via such ads being displayed on this site -- is NOT a good thing, IMO.

Obviously, there are plenty of these ads rotating...
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Old 05-25-2005, 11:41 PM   #4 of 13
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I read in one of the Star Wars threads that one of those ads was showing up saying, "Download and burn Revenge of the Sith TODAY!" Those ads need to be killed.
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Old 05-26-2005, 05:21 PM   #5 of 13
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People, we are discussing this issue presently. We will let you know what happens. And thank you for bringing it to our attention.



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Old 05-27-2005, 10:08 AM   #6 of 13
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This sort of thing happens all over the place, and can take a while to get anything done, Retrogames had problems with the ads for people selling ROMs, and of course those download starwars ads are showing up anywhere starwars is mentioned.
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Old 05-27-2005, 12:19 PM   #7 of 13
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Jack has already stated our position.

It's unfortunate about the Google ads....

...obviously something not made clear to
us at the getgo and something that is out
of our hands until we can further talk with
the people involved.

Suffice to say we are a bit disappointed
that Google hasn't taken more responsibility
about these types of ads.

Give us a few days to talk to the people
at Google. Obviously we are as concerned
about all this as you guys are.

And again, thanks for bringing it to
our attention.





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Old 05-28-2005, 09:14 AM   #8 of 13
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what I should have added was that Retrogames was able to get them taken down, it just took a while and a lot of whinging. Hopefully the process is a little faster now.
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Old 05-28-2005, 06:44 PM   #9 of 13
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Linda:

Thanks for the heads up. In answer to your question yes we can filter out any site from showing up on ours. I have added the url's for the ones that you have pointed out so you shouldn't be seeing those anymore. I you continue to see these or any other ads that are similar just let me know at packy@hometheaterforum.com and I will get it taken care of.

Again, thanks for letting me know.
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