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Old 08-02-2007, 01:56 PM   #1 of 7
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<b>Japanese Porn Industry Embraces Blu-Ray Disc</b>
Japanese adult film makers have turned decisively to Blu-ray Disc, breathing new life into its bid to replace DVDs as the disc of choice for home movies.
Dan Nystedt and Martyn Williams, IDG News Service
Monday, July 30, 2007 6:00 AM PDT

The HD DVD high-definition movie format may have the lead in the U.S. porn industry, but Japanese adult film makers have turned decisively to Blu-ray Disc, breathing new life into its bid to replace DVDs as the disc of choice for home movies.

Sony Corp. has started offering more technical support to the adult film industry in Japan, movie makers said at the Adult Treasure Expo 2007 in Chiba, Japan, and the problem of finding companies to mass produce their movies appears to be over.

It's an important step for Blu-ray Disc. HD DVD has already won over the U.S. adult film industry through its lower costs and ease-of-use. People in the industry say they've received plenty of help from backers of the format, including Microsoft Corp. and Toshiba Corp. But Blu-ray is different. Sony and one of the biggest movie makers in the world, the Walt Disney Co., object to pornography, and Disney maintains a policy against having its own movies replicated by any company working with adult movie titles.

Until now, only a handful of companies operated the stampers needed to copy thousands of Blu-ray Disc movies at a time. But the Japanese company handling most of the early Blu-ray Disc adult film releases in Japan says it has partnered with a Taiwanese company able to secure the necessary equipment from Sony.

"In Japan, there are some problems. Companies cannot press Blu-ray discs because they cannot touch adult-related contracts," said Kiyotaka Konno, director of administration at Assist Corp., a Japanese company that authors and replicates DVDs for the adult industry in Japan. "So we asked some makers in Taiwan to do the work, and then we import the discs back to Japan. The Taiwanese company was able to obtain a pressing machine from Sony and will start mass production in August."

Sony says its policy of not allowing its disc replicating subsidiary, Sony DADC, to copy adult films has not changed. But the company is offering technical support to any film makers looking for help, no matter what industry, a spokeswoman said Monday.

The adoption of Blu-ray Disc by the Japanese porn industry could make all the difference in the format war. The adult film industry has long been a first mover in using new technologies, and many analysts say the industry played a key role in making VHS the winner in the video cassette fight against Sony's Betamax video tape standard years ago. Blu-ray Disc, also a Sony technology, is now vying with HD DVD to be the high-definition disc of choice in the 21st century.

Japan's adult film industry already has ten movies out on Blu-ray Disc (BD DVD), including "JK," "Sex Vacation in Guam" and "Eroist." More are on the way, said Yoshimasa Nozu, a producer at Total Media Agency Inc. His company plans to release at least one more movie per month on Blu-ray for the rest of this year.

By contrast, only one HD DVD adult film has been made in Japan so far, "Perfect Slave Rin," by Glay'z productions.

"HD DVD is popular overseas, but it faces a tough market in Japan," said Takeshi Kobayashi, head of operations at Taisei Co. Ltd., which distributes films under the trade name Glay'z in Japan. "Sony is really pushing the industry to adopt BD DVD."

Price is one issue. HD DVD movies sell for %6,090 (US$51.37) each in Japan, while BD DVD movies cost less, %4,935. The main difference is that every HD DVD comes with a DVD as well, so users who want to buy the new format but don't yet have an HD DVD player can watch the DVD until they buy a new player.

Sony's PlayStation 3 also presents a challenge for HD DVD. The game console comes with a built in BD DVD player, giving adult film producers an incentive to put their movies on Blu-ray. Japan has long been a stronghold for Sony in the game console arena, and despite stiff competition from Nintendo Co. Ltd.'s Wii, it has sold 4.3 million players worldwide. That puts at least the same number of Blu-ray Disc players in people's homes.

Microsoft, which is part of the HD DVD consortium, has tried to counter Blu-ray in game consoles by offering an add-on HD DVD player for the Xbox 360. But since the players aren't built in, users can opt to forego them, unlike PlayStation 3 users.

HD DVD does have an advantage in the cost of its stand-alone players. Toshiba Corp.'s HD-A2 costs just US$234.99 and comes with five free mainstream HD DVD movies, according to Amazon.com. A similar machine by Sony, the BDP-S300, costs US$499, the same as a PlayStation 3 with a 60G-byte hard drive. The two devices also include five free movies.

Several U.S. porn studios have also come out as strong supporters of HD DVD. Wicked Pictures released the first U.S. feature-length adult movie in HD DVD in January, "Camp Cuddly Pines: Powertool Massacre," while the first Blu-ray Disc title in the U.S., Vivid Entertainment Group's "Debbie Does Dallas...Again," didn't follow until nearly four months later.

Still, despite the head start, HD DVD isn't exactly taking the porn industry by storm. Several U.S. companies interviewed earlier this year have not made good on their plans to release titles in HD DVD, while Blu-ray Disc appears to be gaining ground with its new initiative to work with Japanese adult film makers. The result could be a shift in Blu-ray's favor. U.S. adult film makers said they would use whatever makes sense, and only favored HD DVD early on because the format is less expensive to make movies with and they received extensive help from HD DVD backers.

A friendlier face from the Blu-ray Disc camp appears to be working with Japan's porn industry. Perhaps it could work in the U.S. as well.

<b>My comments: </b>

Any true history of the video industry must take into account the impact that the adult side of the industry had in its initial success. As a long-time retailer, Adimike (Adrian Hickman) is best to comment on this. This article shows that the High Definition format war is a really global war and is being fought on all entertainment fronts. Whether the adult industry's embrace of either HD format will still have the impact of VHS vs. Beta is debatable. Online access to adult entertainment would seem to lessen the strength of an HD embrace of either format.
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Old 08-02-2007, 05:50 PM   #2 of 7
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OK, but what does this have to do with the EMA show?



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Old 08-02-2007, 07:01 PM   #3 of 7
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If you don't understand the history of the industry and the motivations behind the decisions involved in production and distribution, you can't fully contribute to discussions about the industry. There's more to HD vs BD than meets the eye. Just consider this thread background information to attending the next EMA and sitting on a panel discussing HD vs BD.
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Old 08-02-2007, 08:51 PM   #4 of 7
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All I have to say is that I chuckled at the thread title...

DVD is still the biggest obstacle to high-def penetration in porn.



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While I agree that porn was one of the driving forces behind the success of Videotape in the 1970s and 1980s (and probably also a factor in the rise of DVD although to a lesser degree) I don't see this model carrying over to the same extent with HD media acceptance.

There is another game in town that wasn't fully established back then: Internet Porn. Yes, people who want to avoid bumping into Pee Wee Herman might embrace HD Porn to some degree (the mind boggles at what High Definition might add to the visuals ) However, I really don't think that the genre will be as important as it was the last time around because of alternatives.

In other words, it's not your father's (unwashed) Oldsmobile.



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Old 08-07-2007, 10:33 AM   #6 of 7
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While I agree that porn was one of the driving forces behind the success of Videotape in the 1970s and 1980s (and probably also a factor in the rise of DVD although to a lesser degree) I don't see this model carrying over to the same extent with HD media acceptance.

There is another game in town that wasn't fully established back then: Internet Porn. Yes, people who want to avoid bumping into Pee Wee Herman might embrace HD Porn to some degree (the mind boggles at what High Definition might add to the visuals ) However, I really don't think that the genre will be as important as it was the last time around because of alternatives.

In other words, it's not your father's (unwashed) Oldsmobile.



My 2 cents.</IMG></IMG>

I agree. The distribution technology has changed significantly. I knew there was a good reason you only need one hand to operate your mouse. Those crafty geeks!

You might recall that it was the adult industry that initially embraced the DVD technology of alternate angles and other DVD aspects before they were widely used in non-adult releases.

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There's more to HD vs BD than meets the eye. Just consider this thread background information to attending the next EMA and sitting on a panel discussing HD vs BD.
All such discussions are now limited to two threads in the HD area, as detailed here.

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