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Old 05-13-2004, 09:45 AM   #1 of 14
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Can I compare HDTV to a Front Projector?


I am looking into getting a projector in about 6 months. My wife want an HDTV. This is for watching movies mostly. Neither of us care that much about TV. (Yes, I know that there is no such thing as a HD DVD player yet.) How do I compare something like XGA resolution on a projector to the resolution on a HDTV screen?


Depending on the final set-up of the room the throw will be about 14-15 feet. Anything greater than 90 inches diagonal is fine. I will be about 14 feet away from the screen, but some will sit about 8 feet away.

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Old 05-13-2004, 11:57 AM   #2 of 14
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XGA resolution is 1024x768. HDTV is either 1080i (1920x1080) or 720p (1280x720).

Most of the CRT based RPTV HDTVs that you see in stores are probably set up to display everything as 1080i. Most of these don't actually have the ability to resolve the full resolution offered there. Resolution wise, you probably wouldn't see a huge difference between watching HDTV on the RPTV or an XGA front projector.

There are now digital RPTV HDTVs that generally are set up to display everything as 720p. These are new and generally more expensive than the CRT RPTV HDTVs.

Then there are also direct view HDTVs and front projection HDTV capable displays too. I figured when you say "HDTV," you're probably thinking of an RPTV.

One difference you may have already noticed is that those RPTV HDTVs generally have a wider aspect ratio (16:9) compared to the aspect ration of an XGA front projector (4:3). Because of this, you may want to consider a projector with a wide screen aspect ratio (e.g., WXGA).

An alternative (one I like very much) is to consider a used CRT front projector. You can set up a CRT front projector for either 16:9 or 4:3 aspect ratio (without losing resolution) by squeezing the raster height. Also, you can display 1080i and 720p natively, without converting to one or the other.

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Old 05-13-2004, 12:14 PM   #3 of 14
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in addition to what matthew said, there are some so-called HDTV projectors that deliver resolutions of 1280 by 720...most notably are the sanyo Z2 and the panny AE500



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Old 05-13-2004, 12:34 PM   #4 of 14
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If you're going to watch movies and little TV, then I suggest going with the projector. It kind of sounds like your wife needs some persuasion in that direction? Does she think the set looks better? Has she seen a projector in action? I don't think a comparison of specs would be sufficient - definitely get some kind of firsthand exposure.
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Old 05-13-2004, 03:24 PM   #5 of 14
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An alternative (one I like very much) is to consider a used CRT front projector. You can set up a CRT front projector for either 16:9 or 4:3 aspect ratio (without losing resolution) by squeezing the raster height. Also, you can display 1080i and 720p natively, without converting to one or the other.
A used CRT? Isn't that pretty big and still expensive? Maybe I am thinking of something else.
And I have no idea on how to squeeze the raster height? Is that hard to do?
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Old 05-13-2004, 05:00 PM   #6 of 14
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A used CRT? Isn't that pretty big and still expensive? Maybe I am thinking of something else.


Big? Yes.

Still expensive? No.

Here's a picture of my Ampro 3600 right here:

http://gallery.avsforum.com/showphot...sort=1&cat=506

I paid less than $1000 for my Ampro 3600 8" EM focus CRT projector. It's a very capable machine. It's big (~160 lbs) but thows a great image and is incredibly versatile. New retail on machines like this was (and still is for those still made) $20,000+.

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And I have no idea on how to squeeze the raster height? Is that hard to do?


Squeezing the raster height is really easy to do. With a projector like this it is as simple as pushing some buttons on the remote control, and it only needs to be done once.

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Old 05-13-2004, 08:08 PM   #7 of 14
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It's big (~160 lbs)

I like it, but that will never end up in my house. Size does matter here.

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your wife needs some persuasion in that direction?

She has seen them in action at business meetings, but not as a way to watch movies at home. It is just too different for her.
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Old 05-13-2004, 09:56 PM   #8 of 14
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An alternative (one I like very much) is to consider a used CRT front projector. You can set up a CRT front projector for either 16:9 or 4:3 aspect ratio (without losing resolution) by squeezing the raster height. Also, you can display 1080i and 720p natively, without converting to one or the other.


Definitely, however, it is a little misleading to state that you don't lose resolution with raster squeeze. The resolving capabilities is your limit, and running full 4:3 will allow you far more scanlines. Reducing the image to 16:9 (since CRTs are 4:3 devices) will limit your capabilities in terms of scanlines. Either way you do it, by black bars, or by raster squeeze, you can't maintain the same resolution as 4:3 without suffering from the effects of overlap. It's either lower resolution + squeeze, or black bars, and both net you identical results.

It's still a superior way to go, IMO, for a budget-limited display.
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Old 05-13-2004, 10:11 PM   #9 of 14
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Why not take her to a Audio-Video store where they have a home theater projector set up so she can experience it for herself. Seeing a data projector do a presentation and watching a movie on a big screen are two very different things.
Seeing it for herself might change her mind.

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Old 05-13-2004, 11:55 PM   #10 of 14
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She has seen them in action at business meetings, but not as a way to watch movies at home. It is just too different for her.


Well, I persuaded a co-worker to get the X1 and he trusted my judgment without question. When I helped him set it up he was thoroughly impressed, even though we were only watching it on a less than ideal screen. The first thing he said upon seeing the image was "So why get a big screen TV?" and I said "Exactly."

Seeing is definitely believing, especially with projectors designed to handle video. The DATA projectors she's seen, though close to the experience, are really not the same.

Now this doesn't mean front projection is always the way to go. Sometimes it just doesn't work for the room. But if it works, there are definite advantages. For one, from an interior design viewpoint, there is more flexibility because there's not a huge set taking up space and attention. And given some of the great projectors out there, there is definitely more bang for the buck.

You really need to have her see it firsthand. If she's only against it because it's "too different" that's really a shame. She really needs the to make a more informed decision than that, especially when spending that kind of money.
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