Contrast? Cant set this option right

tsh · 12-27-2006, 12:17 PM

I bought AVIA to Home Theater
I can set up everything with no issues except the contrast level. I can’t figure out what is right and what is wrong. In the AVIA guide it explains about how you should not go over the point of blooming. It is very hard to tell when my TV is blooming because the picture does not widen or the lines do not start to bind like in the example. My guess is it is blooming around 80-100. At around 80-100 - 70-100 the picture becomes some what more bright then any other option.

Should I just guess and not care about it? I have a Toshiba 51h84

Allan Jayne · 12-27-2006, 03:45 PM

For CRT direct view sets and plasma sets, set the contrast no higher than a half. For CRT rear and front projectors, set the contrast no higher than a third.

The "correct" contrast setting after that depends on room lighting and needs special equipment to get it exactly correct. Without the special equipment, just set the contrast (subject to the above restrictions) so that the other tests pass as best as possible and the picture looks pleasing.

If the contrast is set low enough, you will not have eyestrain watching TV in an otherwise dark room.

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ChrisWiggles · 12-28-2006, 12:30 AM

Blooming is a maximum safe point. Listen to the full narration, you want to aim for a point SIGNIFICANTLY below that with a CRT. The best method I suggest is to lower white level so low that white appears to be gray. Then slowly raise white level *just* to the point that white appears to be a shade of white rather than a shade of gray.

If you want the longer version:

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Periodically, I hear people struggle with setting contrast. In particular, people get hung up on looking for blooming, avoiding geometry distortion, or thinking that the AVIA disc is only for CRT displays. Here's the five minute summary of the problem of setting contrast (white level) for newbies. It's hard to get it all because there are so many permuations of displays and what to look for. Hence, the on disc instructions could only cover the one - most common case in detail. Of course, a lot of forum members have non CRT based displays or have ones that differ in behavior. In general, here are some goals.

If you have a glowing phosphor based display like a CRT or plasma, one task is to make sure you don't have contrast set so high that you are rapidly burning the phosphor. You other task is to set contrast such that response to the signal is "linear." In other words, you keep contrast low enough that neither damage to the display or to picture quality result.

If you have a lamp based display like an LCD or DLP, you don't have to worry about avoiding damage by having too high a contrast, but you still have to avoid huring image quality.

On older CRT's an unsafely high contrast setting would cause minor defocusing of the electron beam aka blooming. This definitely was a bad thing so we tried to teach people to look for and AVOID ever letting the display run that high. Newer CRT displays don't bloom as much even when contrast is run up high enough to accelerate wear. So, you don't always see blooming and that is a bit confusing if someone new to video adjustments gets caught up in looking for blooming when actually the second part of the advice is the most important - Keep the contrast as low as possible to prolong phosphor life. In some modern CRT RPTV's you won't see obvious blooming but that does NOT mean it is good to keep contrast cranked up all the way.

Geometry distortion due to power supply problems are less common now. I wouldn't really worry about that on today's CRT's. When it's present and due to things like scan velocity modulation, newbies often can't get rid of it even if contrast is turned down too low.

On lamp based displays, having contrast doesn't shorten display life but causes clipping of hilites or shifts in the color of white as one primary color or another runs out of dynamic range. Clipping of hilites means that things that are bright but not quite white become indisinguishable from white. Shifts in the color of white means the color of white changes. On DLP's that shift is often blue-green.

A pro calibrator knows to set contrast to get proper light output, keep within safe limits, and obtain good grayscale tracking. Teaching the consumer to do that is hard because....

1. The consumer usually has no means of objectively measuring video display light output. Only a few advanced enthusiasts go so far as buying a colorimetry system like the OpticOne. I could have said on the disc to adjust contrast until white measures something like 12 to 16 footlamberts on a direct view or front projection and around 8 to 10 FL for RPTV CRT. Those aren't targets written in stone. Some people intentinally target higher, but they still do so keeping an eye on what is safe for the equipment. Most Avia users don't have a means of measuring how bright is 12 FL. Avia PRO users, yes, but not AVIA users.

Without a metering system, the best I could say is that the target brightness of white on screen is very roughly how bright a 4 white LED Lightwave 2000 flashlight lights up a white sheet of paper at 28 inches. That is fraught with uncertaintly and isn't that standardizable. People don't have that flashlight and even if they did, the flashlights vary in light output unit to unit and the battery freshness affects things. No matter what I have thought of in common objects as a possible reference, lots of factors ensure that what you see end up with for light from that ****** won't match what I am getting.

2. The measured light output level needed to deliver the desired light intensity to the viewer varies with display system. A pro calibrator knows that RPTV's have a high gain screen and need a lower direct measured light output to attain the same visible light level as a direct view. They also know that front projection systems also have screen gain that affects how measured light intensity is seen by the viewer. All those additional situations would take much more teaching than is practical on a consumer disc. If we tried to teach it on disc, almost no one would understand. People get confused with just the simple basic instructions on the Avia disc - and that was about as simplistic as I could get it.

So this leaves us with the final portion of my advice for setting contrast - keep it as low as consistent with a good image in a fairly dimly lit room in the evening. If you have contrast high enough to compete with sunlight or bright room lights, you are probably too high. Many people are used to really high light levels from a TV. Indeed, my eyes hurt the last time I saw an RPTV at someone's home because the light output was too high. On a home theater display, the light output when set correctly and viewed with DARK ADAPTED eyes will just begin to feel too bright when the scene abruptly switches from an indoor shot to a bright outdoor shot. That's somewhere around white being about 12 to 18 FL when I measure it against my eyeball "too bright tolerance.

By keeping contrast lower, you are more likely to be in the physically safe and image preserving portion of the display's dynamic range. I wish there were a standard ****** or light out there that I could say "make white on your screen look as bright as ****** x." I haven't found anything readily available to consumers that has constant enough of a light output and close enough to D65 in color to recommend as a standard. As I mentioned above, even LED flashlights won't work. They change with battery condition. Fluorescent tubes won't do either because they vary in brightness with age. I once tried to describe the brightness of white in terms of candle flame brightness cast upon a sheet of paper. That wasn't too accurate and I doubt a single soul took it seriously.

So bottom line - Don't perseverate on looking for blooming or geometry distortions on the test patterns. Instead concentrate on keeping contrast down LOW. Not so low that viewing the picture in a darkened room still results in a dingy image, but as low as still consistent with a bright enough picture in a darkened room. That gives you the best you can do until you have a colorimeter or a pro can come by and get you set up truely right.

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Guy Kuo
Director - Imaging Science Foundation Research Lab
Video Test Design - Ovation Multimedia / Home of OpticONE Colorimeter, AVIA and Avia PRO

PeterK · 12-28-2006, 12:54 PM

yeah contrast i just kinda go by personal preference.
I watch a movie in a dark room and when a scene changes from something dark, to a brilliant daytime scene and I go AH my eyes!...then i turn it down. and if I go Oh it changed scenes. I turn it up. i like at the point where it jolts you awake but doesn't kill the eyes.

tsh · 12-28-2006, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by PeterK

yeah contrast i just kinda go by personal preference.
I watch a movie in a dark room and when a scene changes from something dark, to a brilliant daytime scene and I go AH my eyes!...then i turn it down. and if I go Oh it changed scenes. I turn it up. i like at the point where it jolts you awake but doesn't kill the eyes.

This could be the best option for me. For my tv I need high contrast levels around the 70-80s or the screen does not look natural and white looks more like gray

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JohnRice · 12-28-2006, 08:12 PM

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For my tv I need high contrast levels around the 70-80s or the screen does not look natural and white looks more like gray

A lot of that may be due to being used to having it set too high, which is how we all were before getting used to correct settings. It is common to want to tweak things above correct. Try to resist. After a while, you will get accustomed to the new settings and the image will start looking much more pleasant.



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