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Old 09-04-2003, 03:13 PM   #1 of 17
Chris Messineo
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Help - Save Me from Bose


First, as a newbie to the forum, I wanted to say how helpful it has been so far. The information contained in here is amazing.

A little background before my question. While my wife and I love movies (we have over 500 DVD's) I am by no means an audiophile expert. My current setup is a bare bones DVD player (no progressive scan) and TV (with lousy sound).

We tend to watch a movie 4 or 5 nights a week, and I am very interested in getting a 5.1 sound system and a progressive scan DVD player to enhance our experience.

Well, the other day we were at our local mall and we stopped in the Bose Home Theater and Audio store. The sales person was nice (and pushy) and we saw an impressive demonstration of a Lifestyle 35 Home Theater Audio System - then we saw the price $3,000.

I did a quick search online and found many reviews that said the system was way overpriced.

I liked the simplicity of the Bose system, it seemed fairly easy to install, configure, and use. Also it's size (small speakers) and the included dvd player seemed nice. I am wondering if there is something comparable for about $1,500.

We are looking to set this up in our family room. The roomis 9 by 12 and the walls are formica (don't ask - the last homeowner was a formica salesman).

Does anyone have any suggestions? Should I be buying a self contained system or should I be looking for separate components that I put together? Also is $1,500 enough to get a good quality 5.1 system?

Thanks in advance,

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Old 09-04-2003, 03:21 PM   #2 of 17
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$1500 is more than enough for a quality HTIB system. It might not be quite enough for seperates, however...assuming you are talking about 5 speakers, a subwoofer, a dvd player, and a receiver.

My parents own the Bose Lifestyle 35 system, and while it sounds quite good, I must admit they paid way way too much for it. I think the lifestyle systems sound very good, but Bose is overpriced. FACT. Not to mention, the acoustimass units cannot hit LFE frequencies worthy enough to warrant a place in home theater. For your price point, I'd check out Pioneer Elite's ES 1000 DV home theater in a box system. The MSRP is $2000, but that probably means it's street price is more like $1500. It also got a very respectable review in home theater mag this month (or was it last month?). The unit's capability is supposed to be equal to that of their flagship DV-47ai, so that means it plays dvd's, dvd-a, and sacd.
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Old 09-04-2003, 03:28 PM   #3 of 17
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$1500 is more than enough for a quality HTIB system. It might not be quite enough for seperates


You could probably pick up a lower-mid level 5.1 receiver, DVD player, and speaker setup for around that price and it would still out perform Bose.
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Old 09-04-2003, 03:44 PM   #4 of 17
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I just helped my parents get setup with a home theater system. My dad asked for my recommendation and this is what I gave him:

Speakers: http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage....oryId=cat03049Acoustic Research HC6

Receiver: I recommeded a factory refurb Onkyo SR501 from www.jandr.com, but he upgraded to the SR601.

DVD: Panasonic Progressive Scan 5 disc

I went to Houston and hooked it all up and was very pleasd with how everything came together. The speakers and receiver blew me away, as did the picture quality. They are still using a 10 yr old 35" Sears tv....but the S video connections all around seemed to do it very well.

I think he had just a bit under a grand in it after all was said and done. He had to buy speaker stands, wall mounts, and interconnects.

I would definitely recommend it to anyone else.
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Old 09-04-2003, 05:11 PM   #5 of 17
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Chris, I heard the Rocket ELT system in Dallas a month or so ago and was just amazed. This system will play at reference levels (if you desire) in a good many rooms and has very detailed sound. The center speaker in particular is very fine—you should be able to distinguish dialogue in the midst of uproar.

This Thread contains details on a package deal they are offering that includes a very fine receiver (in fact the same one I heard powering the system when it was being demonstrated).

Do yourself a favor and check it out.



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Old 09-04-2003, 05:38 PM   #6 of 17
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Besides the 5 disc changer JeffTodd mentioned, Panasonic also has a single disc player that also does DVD-A, model S55S. I had the Onkyo SR500 with the Panasonic S55S as a cheap bedroom system and for the price I paid ($270!), the performance blew me away especially the picture and sound from the dvd player and recommend it for someone thats tight on cash but with a $1500 budget you can probably do better. I would go for a better reciever than the SR500 and spend the rest on speakers.

Atm, I would go for a stereo config myself and Im quite sure you wouldnt mind your system to perform equally as good for music also.

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2 pairs of JBL S-38 and center for 5.1
Velodyne CHT-8 sub - $299
Refurbished Marantz SR6200 or 5300 - $400 (accessories4less.com)
Pioneer Elite DV-45A DVD/DVD-A/SACD Player- $350 or Denon 1600 for $300
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Old 09-05-2003, 10:15 PM   #7 of 17
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You mentioned that in addition to the surround sound system you would like to get "a progressive scan DVD player to enhance our experience".
Keep in mind that unless you have a high definition tv that will support progressive scan, you won't be able to play DVD's in progressive mode. Make sure you get a player that does a good job in non-progressive mode as well.
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Old 09-06-2003, 01:33 PM   #8 of 17
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please stay away from bose , i had it had sold it after i started reading material on real equipment. 1st if you look at bose in the store they never have it set up next to anything else . why the marketig idear is great but you can do far better for same or less. if you look in stores like 6th ave ( not sure wher u live) of pick up home theater magazine, sound and vision, or several others. you will learn alot. also dont be afraid to buy closeouts, i don't mean demo or floor models. i mean end of the year modles. i saved alot of money this way. shop shop shop. also dont listen to sales men that get paid on comm. take a trid to a good hi-fi store bing you fav cd and just listen , don't but at first just listen at what's out there. believe me once you start in this hobby you won't be able to stop. if you must by one piece at a time. i have put togethter a awsome system in 3-4 years and saved so much money by shopping around. also stay out of sears , best buy and circut city. ( not to say anything is wrong with them but, ( in my opinon) most of there stuff is adverage. good luck and have fun frankie
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Old 09-07-2003, 01:10 PM   #9 of 17
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I'd reccommend you find a paradigm dealer at through their website: www.paradigm.com

I suggest them (among the MANY brands out there) for a couple reasons. First, they are very solid budget performers. They were the best to MY ears, which is why i have some, so there's some buyers bias there on my part, but i still think a lot of people agree that they are stunning value-leaders. And everyone hopefully agrees they kick the crap off any bose system in terms of sound quality. There are other brands out there too, so I always strongly urge people to listen to EVERYTHING they possibly can, as tastes differ.

Second, and very important for beginners, is that Paradigm regards itself as a "high-end" brand, even though they dominate the very low-price arena of speakers. Only recently have they developed a higher-priced line, and even then, it's not running with those speakers costing tens of thousands. My point is, that they tend to have very good dealers, and are pretty picky about that. You are more likely to get a knowledgeable dealer who will be much more helpful, then the average bozos at BB, sears, CC, GG, etc.

Hopefully you're in the northern part of NJ, as that's where the dealers are, (I lived in SJ for a long time, there's nothing much down there in terms of REAL audio... Bose is pretty much as "good" as it gets unless you take a risk on ordered speakers... )

$1,500 should be able to get you a decent reciever, a small sub, and a fine speaker setup. You don't mention whether you have an HDTV, because if you do not, then there is no point in getting a progressive-scan DVD player, and what you have now should suffice.

I also STRONGLY recommend you get Avia or Video essentials and a radio shack SPL meter to calibrate both audio and video when you get your system down the road.

So, find a paradigm dealer near you if you can, and start, at say the performance series, atoms and titans are stellar, bring some well-recorded music CDs, and listen thoroughly to as MUCH as you can.

You may not be able to get the total simplicity of a bose system, but through the smart buying path of searching around and learning here, you should have no problems putting your system together and calibrating it, it's not as daunting as you at first think, although it can be complicated. The beginner's FAQ here is also good, it's at the top of this forum, theres a link. Good reads.

Oh, BTW, in my opinion, a paradigm system for $1500 is insulted by even trying to compare it with a bose system.

Above all, let your ears tell you what's best!

Good luck.
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Old 09-08-2003, 01:30 AM   #10 of 17
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Since being in the home theater market, I sat a long time and pondered what would be best for me, what choices would satiate the "upgrade-itis" that inevitably sets in once you get your Home Theater. My set up is as follows:

2 JBL S312's from www.harmanaudio.com (discounted price because it is a discontinued model)
2 JBL S26's
JBL S-Center
Harmon-Kardon AVR525Z (z just means refurbed)
Toshiba progessive dvd player (whatever it is that they sell at Best Buy)

I figured that would get myself off to a good start, after all the wiring, and everything I think it put me around 1.5-1.7k. I am very satisfied with my investment and use the system for both movies and music. The S312's are really a good set of speakers. I also satiated my need for upgrading by getting a receiver that offers 7 channel support, and not buying a subwoofer. The other opinions that people have offered that I would back up is Lew's suggestion for the Rocket ELT (Extremely Lucious Theater). You can go to their website (www.av123.com) and poke around to see if anyone can give you a "audition" of this system.

Forgot to mention what I think o