[Chris Huber]

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This is now the official thread for discussion on the various upconverting HD DVD players and the upcoming Hdef dvd players. For specific ongoing discussion on either the LG 7832 or Zenith 318 upconverting dvd players, please refer to this thread here.... Zenith DVB 318 & LG 7832 DVD merged thread

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This is the DVD player that WILL arrive late this week. I got it at eCOST.com for 48 bucks:

http://www.jvc.com/product.jsp?model...ve=true&page=2


This is the DVD player that I am borrowing:
http://sale-depot.net/electronics/item/B0000CEJUO/

This is the TV I just bought for 1356 after web special/rebates:
http://www.circuitcity.com/detail.js...&oid=80976&m=0

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Here is my prob. In the DVD options, I have component ENABLED and 16x9 ENABLED. That does it for video out options on the DVD player.

On the TV options, there is a SD(Standard Definition) and HD(High Definition) setting, but it's grayed out (can't change it). And it's on SD.

This means that it may be playing the movie at only 480i or 720, right? For the full 1080i that I want, it would have to be HD in the menu.

There are no other options on the BORROWED DVD player, so I assume that all you can get...

My question is, on the JVC DVD player coming soon above, will I be able to get full HD res?



ps-My buddy has a 47 Panny HDTV kind like this one with a Toshiba DVD player hooked up with component and he gets his HD option on his TV just fine.

Please give me some insight guys... I'll appreciate it.

[Allan Jayne]

Unless there is some unusual skimping, you are getting the best you can from DVD.

As far as I know the TV is always displaying 1080 (1080i in terms of scan lines). Actually 960 (960i) for DVD is just as good as 1080 and in some ways better, but is rare and makes the TV more complex.

If the player is feeding in 480i, that is converted to 480p and (if the TV is not doing 960i on the screen) the 480p is converted to 540p.

If the player is feeding in 480p, the 480p is used as-is for 960i on the screen or converted to 540p for 1080i on the screen.

In terms of subject matter from DVD, the vertical resolution is still 480 no matter how good the equipment is.

Video hints:
http://members.aol.com/ajaynejr/video.htm

[Chris Huber]

Wow, thats a lot of info on that page. I just read through some of it...

So, do I have everything set up the correct way with the current, borrowed DVD player? Meaning, the TV will say SD(standard Definition) because of the DVD player limitation?

Will the JVC player I hook up later this week display more lines or make the TV say HD?

[JimmyK]

DVD as it exists now is NOT a High Definition format. It is Standard Definition (480i/480p). Therefore, it makes sense that your TV will not let you select that option for DVD viewing.

Now, there are DVD players that will upconvert the Standard Definition (SD) DVD signal (480i/480p) to a High Definition signal (HD) (720p/1080i). However, neither player you mentioned has this capability.

Keep in mind that upconverting SD to HD does NOT give you a true High Definition picture. A DVD would have to be encoded with a HD signal to begin with to get a true HD picture, and like I mentioned above, today's DVD format is NOT HD.

The players you mentioned do offer progressive scan (480p). Selecting this feature on the player may give you a better picture or it may not. It depends on whether your TV or DVD player is better at changing the interlaced signal (480i) to progressive (480p). Try it both ways and see which you prefer.

BTW, setting your DVD player to 16x9 is correct for your TV.

Hope this helped.

JimmyK

[Chris Huber]

Thanks JimmyK! Good info.

1) So did I order the correct JVC DVD player for my setup?

2) Do I need to get a DVD player with HDMI for my TV to display the most clear picture? Or will this JVC DVD player work?

[Don_Berg]

DVD resolution is 720x480 maximum (480i or 480p) - there is no HD-DVD format yet. The DVD players you list are progressive DVD players so they can output 480p if you enable it in the setup menus, it defaults to 480i. Some HDTVs support a native 480p mode as well as 1080i, many also accept 720p (this is also an HD format) but convert internally to 1080i. Most Panasonic HDTVs however do not accept 720p format at all. Some HDTVs convert 480i/480p to 960i. There are a few newer model DVD players that can upconvert DVD to 720p or 1080i (though this is not true HD since the source material is still lower resolution) like the new Zenith model for $200+. The DVD players you are listing are lower end models under $70, so you must not be in the market for the more expensive models. For top-rated quality I'd recommend a model with a Faroudja de-interlacer since those low-end models have a poor de-interlacer. One of the best is the Panasonic XP30. You don't need DVI/HDMI for DVD, thats only slightly better for fixed pixel displays (like plasma or DLP) and with an HD source.

[Chris Huber]

Well, has anyone watched a $200+ DVD player up against a $70 on on the same TV? I want to know if it's a major difference.

[Don_Berg]

Yes I upgraded from a JVC DVD player similar to the one you list to a Panasonic XP30 (with Faroudja de-interlacer) and it was a significant improvement. Much sharper picture and higher quality/resolution picture from video-based titles. Many DVDs have poor flags and the JVC would comb on scenes with poor flags since its a flag-reader, the Faroujda de-interlacer ingores the flags and de-interlaces correctly in all cases.

Lots of info you should read here for more information:
http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volum...e-10-2000.html

[Steve Schaffer]

The JVC you've chosen will work just fine unless you need to play a significant number of video-based dvds.

If you have a lot of tv series compilations of comedies originally shot on tape, get the Panny. If not, the JVC will work just fine and save a lot of money.

Even with video based titles the difference is minimal at most--just force the JVC into Video mode with one press of the button on the remote and you're good to go.

The JVC has a number of features like pillarboxing for 4/3 material and the ability to scale non-anamorphic widescreen dvds, along with the ability to calibrate picture parameters in the player which the XP-30 lacks. I find the Gamma adjustment alone, which brings out shadow detail without turning blacks grey to be more valuable than the Faroudja's ability to play special features sections without an occasional split-second of combing.

I own both a Faroudja chipped Panny and a JVC, and that split second combing during transition from video taped interveiws and film-based clips during special features documentaries is the only time I observe any benefit whatsoever from the Faroudja chip. On the other hand, with the Panny I must watch all 4/3 material with annoying gray bars on the sides because it won't do the pillarboxing the JVC can do. Non-anamorphic widescreen dvds must be zoomed by the tv when using the Panny resulting in a very much inferior picture compared to the scaling on the JVC.

The Zenith DVB 318 will scale non-anamorphic widescreen dvds, does have Faroudja de-interlacing, won't pillarbox. Best Buy lists this as "coming soon" for $259. It's been out for a while and if you can find an in-stock unit anywhere it will upconvert to 1080i over both component and dvi outputs. The component upconvert is being eliminated and most places are sold out until July or August, at which time the player will only upconvert via dvi.