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Old 04-16-2004, 08:07 PM   #1 of 16
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Toshiba SD-5960 question


About to change out my dvd player from the Tosh 4700 and am looking at the SD5960.....question is about the HDMI upconversion..... does it do a good job? What are some of the alternatives?
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Old 04-17-2004, 11:08 AM   #2 of 16
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DonnyD -

There is a lot of discussion over at the AVS Forum:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...highlight=5960

I picked it up to replace my Samsung HD931, which has terrible PQ for me (bad black crush over DVI). I am using a HDMI-DVI cable to connect the Tosh to my Toshiba 51H83. The picture is incredibly better. I'll keep it, even with its shortcomings.

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Old 04-17-2004, 12:41 PM   #3 of 16
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DaveSP, what do you think of the build quality? I know it is an all-plastic player like the others from this year, but I was just curious what you thought of it.



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Old 04-17-2004, 01:14 PM   #4 of 16
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I've seen the complaints about the plastic in the case, etc. But since I'm setting it up in one place and not moving it then I'm not worried about destroying it. I've had a Tosh 2109 for some years now and never had a problem with it.

Every disadvantage I've seen is outweighed by the great PQ.

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Old 04-17-2004, 01:21 PM   #5 of 16
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Some have stated that the HDMI > DVI cable does not pass blacker than black. What is your experience with that?



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Old 04-17-2004, 02:23 PM   #6 of 16
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Some have stated that the HDMI > DVI cable does not pass blacker than black.

I don't see how that's even possible. It's a simple pin->pin adapter. There's no signal conversion or processing going on at all.
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Old 04-17-2004, 03:05 PM   #7 of 16
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Maybe I'm biased after the HD931 black crush problem but it sure looks good to me. That's all I ask of it.

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Old 04-18-2004, 02:09 AM   #8 of 16
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I don't see how that's even possible. It's a simple pin->pin adapter. There's no signal conversion or processing going on at all.


Since the color signals are various frequencies, cutting out a chunk due to bandwidth problems *could* do this. I'm no expert, but that is what I've read in more than one location by people who profess to have all the answers.

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Maybe I'm biased after the HD931 black crush problem but it sure looks good to me. That's all I ask of it.


I hear you on that, I went from a DVD-HD931 to a Bravo D1 and cannot stand the loading issues on the Bravo. Looking for something better, but I'll be damned if Toshiba went and screwed up the aspect ratio control. I have 2 options on DVI with my tv, wide(pc) and wide(tv). Non-anamorphic or 4:3 titles suck as they are stretched. I did get to play with one of these today at work and I enjoy the picture quality immensely. I played a little of Matrix Revolutions and Stargate Ultimate Edition and I am VERY impressed. Too bad about the aspect thing..



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Old 04-18-2004, 06:23 AM   #9 of 16
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I have returned the 5960 and replaced it with the 3960..... The BB salesman had told me that the 5960 upconverts the HDMI AND Colorsteam, which was of course, misleading......and since I do not intend to upgrade my current HDTV, I went with the 3960.... I was able to a-b several movie clips and there appeared to be no difference in PQ.........and the 3960 allowed me to toggle betweem interlaced and progressive on the fly........
Build quality is just ok since it doesn't have to do more than sit there. Looks good and plays great... better pic than my older 4700 Tosh.....but that remote could be better. The 3960 was only $65 and the 5960 was $189.... but unless you're HDMI compliant, it's not worth the extra money!



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Old 04-19-2004, 12:41 PM   #10 of 16
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Since the color signals are various frequencies, cutting out a chunk due to bandwidth problems *could* do this. I'm no expert, but that is what I've read in more than one location by people who profess to have all the answers.

This is a *digital* transmission. You can't just cut out a chunk and expect to get a signal on the other end. It's like using one of those boxes to convert an optical audio signal to coaxial. The signal out the other end is identical to the original.
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