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Old 03-07-2006, 01:50 PM   #1 of 20
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I just replaced my third appliance in five years - all for similar reasons - electronics failure.

I am led to believe that the power in my area is horrid. There are plenty electric storms, but also a grid that still looks to be held together by the chicken wire and chewing gum used after Hurricance Charley.

I have been considering a whole-house surge protector, but as I read up on them I am not so sure they will fix my problem. They seem to only stop lightning hits, but what about power irregularity? How do I deal with that - if it is even my problem? There are line conditioners, UPS, voltage stabilizing, etc. etc. etc. ouch! my head!

Does anyone here know anything about all of this and willing to help me figure out what I need to do to protect my new appliances?

I found this fantastic post;
http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htfo...urge+protector
but I am still not sure that power surges are to blame for my appliance failures. Anyone want to speculate?



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Old 03-07-2006, 02:09 PM   #2 of 20
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power irregularity would be solved by a voltage stabilizer, which will "stabilize" the voltage output of the outlet, and not let it rise above or drop below a certain value.

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Old 03-07-2006, 02:16 PM   #3 of 20
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Is something like that available for a whole house? Do you think that is the cause of my problem?

I have lost a fridge, a range and a microwave. There is suspicion on a lamp for my new projection TV...



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Old 03-07-2006, 02:55 PM   #4 of 20
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I suspect the problem would be over or under voltage (brownouts), which would be corrected by a stabilizer, but I suspect the cost to protect a whole house could be prohibitive, and unecessary.

I would look at what someone like APC has to offer (http://apc.com/products/category.cfm?id=12&lid=12) for individual components. They have everything form simple, stepped regulators, to fully conditioned, sine wave output UPS systems.

For larger solutions, someone like IREM http://www.irem.it/en/AVR/AVRset.htm might be an option, although I know nothing about this company.


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Old 03-08-2006, 12:03 PM   #5 of 20
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That's an even costlier approach on a per protected appliance basis though. Your problem isn't an easy one to diagnose...yet. There are so many places to start.

1) If your lights are flickering constantly it could mean problems with the incoming power (a utility problem) or something to do with your wiring. Spring for about $5 or less for a circuit tester at Home Depot and check all your outlets for proper wiring. Repair or replace as necessary.

2) Your local utility, especially if it's Florida Power and Light, can have issues. Dealing with hurricanes let alone ineptness can have its toll. Check out the following link for some examples of issues. Walk around your neighborhood and pay attention to the condition of the poles based on some of the pictures. Regretfully, some of the pictures won't show and I had to pull this particular link from the internet archive.

3) You might have problems with your house ground especially if the soil is sandy or drains very rapidly. Maybe you can comment on that.

4) If you've got the above issues under control, then a whole house approach can be a very cost effective way to address overall protection. FWIW, this is what I did. I'm not saying this is the only way, but it's what I chose. You might also want to contact your local power utility to see what they'll do in the way of protection. Usually, they'll install the stuff for about $10/month. However, if you're going to be there for a while, you can do substantially better both price wise and with beefier, longer lasting devices.
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Old 03-08-2006, 03:03 PM   #6 of 20
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You need an appliance surge outlet, I picked mine up at Zellers for $6.00 CAD with 500 Joules of Surge Protection, I think it was made by GE.
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Old 03-08-2006, 05:54 PM   #7 of 20
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It really depends on what the cause of the problem is. A surge arrestor won't help one bit if you are having sags all the time, and those are great for burning out motors/compressors. The first thing to do is figure out what the problem is, then decide on a suitable solution.


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Old 03-08-2006, 09:28 PM   #8 of 20
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What I would do is to email the appliance companies, and tell them what happened. Yes, I am sure they want you to buy new stuff over and over again, but if - say, a Sears Fridge bit it, I'd think twice about buying from Sears again, and that they would not want.

I think you need a whole-house voltage regulator, but the companies that make your appliances KNOW what went into them, and what their restrictions are, more than anyone else.

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Old 03-09-2006, 12:57 AM   #9 of 20
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On this same topic, does anyone make an outlet strip for 220v appliances? A friend of mine lives in an apartment and only has one outlet for a stove and if he only uses one item at a time he should be ok. He's wanting to buy a washer and dryer combo for this situation. Are there any pro-audio manufacturers who makes such items as well (since some pro-amps are 220v I thought it would be a natural but couldn't find any) because if anyone will make a line conditioner or surge suppressor they should as well?
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Old 03-09-2006, 06:17 AM   #10 of 20
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Probably not a natural because of NEC codes. You might want to just check with a competent local electrical supply company (yellow pages) but I think 220's are dedicated.
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