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Old 02-13-2005, 07:43 AM   #1 of 17
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Helicopter: How safe?


I'm going on vacation to Punta Cana
in a few months.

I have a choice of a 90-minute bumpy
car ride through dirt roads to get to
the resort or a 20-minute helicopter ride.

Naturally the helicopter sounds more
intriguing but I can't help but wonder....

How safe are these things?





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Old 02-13-2005, 08:00 AM   #2 of 17
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they're relatively safe. On par with a light aircraft I would say, since he's operating under what the US would call part 135 regulations, or their equivilent down there.

I'd take the heli, it'll be an experience you won't forget and afterall, it is your vacation.


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Old 02-13-2005, 09:04 AM   #3 of 17
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Stating the obvious, as long as the blades keep on turning it's relatively safe but if they stop while up in the air you are generally a goner.

For what it is worth I'd take the helicopter.
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Old 02-13-2005, 09:11 AM   #4 of 17
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Dependant on the environment, you may find the copter safer then the "bumpy roads"



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Old 02-13-2005, 09:29 AM   #5 of 17
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Assuming the helicopter is mechanically sound, I'd consider a helicopter safer than a plane because it can do something called an autorotational landing. All the pilot needs is a relatively flat space big enough for the helicopter to land on to perform this maneuver. While a plane that looses power needs to find an appropriate runway.

It will vary from helicopter to helicopter, but there is a curve created by plotting foward speed vs altitude. Below this curve an autorotational landing isn't possible, above it, an autorotational landing is possible.

Here's some helicopter basics I learned from an Apache Longbow game manual If we have any helicopter pilots here, feel free to correct any misconceptions or erronious assumptions I'm making from this most authorative source :p)

Helicopter controls:

Collective - 1 axis joystick that collectively controls the pitch on all the blades. Increasing the collective will make the helicopter go up, decreasing it will make the helicopter go down.

Cyclic - 2 axis joystick that cyclically changes the pitch on the blades at a particular point. Which ever direction you push this control, that segment of the blades will have their pitch reduced, and the opposite side will have their pitch increased. This will cause the helicopter to tilt and move in that direction.

Tail rotor pedals - two pedals that control the pitch of the tail rotor.

Throttle

What makes a helicopter so challenging to fly is that a change to any one of the above controls requires the pilot to compensate on the other 3. If you increase the collective, that will increase the resistance on the blades so you'll have to increase the throttle to keep blade speed up. These two will inturn create more torque so you'll have to compensate with the tail rotor pedals to keep the helicopter straight. And you'll likely have to slightly tweak the cyclic control as well.

Anyways, purpose of these descriptions was to describe an autorotational landing.

If the helicopter looses power and is above the autorotational landing curve the pilot will drop the collective all the way to maintain blade speed. He will then use the cyclic to maneuver the helicopter to the best landing spot he can find. Then just before the helicopter is about to hit the ground he will pull the collective all the way up and the cyclic all the way back. This will kill almost all down/forward momentum and result in a relatively mild drop the last few feet to the ground that will result in no damage to the helicopter. The further you go below the autorotational landing curve the more damage will occur to the helicopter and the more likely passenger injury will be.

You have to successfully complete an autorotational landing to get your helicopters pilots liscense.



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Old 02-13-2005, 10:07 AM   #6 of 17
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Assuming the helicopter is mechanically sound, I'd consider a helicopter safer than a plane because it can do something called an autorotational landing. All the pilot needs is a relatively flat space big enough for the helicopter to land on to perform this maneuver. While a plane that looses power needs to find an appropriate runway.

Small problem, the airplane has a lot more time to glide about and find a suitable field. Light aircraft don't need runways. They're designed to land in fields and grass and dirt strips.. Look at the big spring steel gear on something like a cessna caravan, they're there for a reason.

Light aircraft are much less complex, there are no belts or drive chains to break, they have a reasonable glide distance and can usually find a place to set down. Tail rotors don't quit, they don't have ground resonance etc.
They also don't have those long main rotors swinging around hitting things.

Then you hope the pilot isn't on the back side of the power curve when the engine takes a hike.


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Old 02-13-2005, 12:39 PM   #7 of 17
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Ron,
Pay no attention to the previous post, which, of course, is completely accurate.
The fact is great numbers of people have lived through helicopter flights. I did a search on the copter ride you're considering, the views are amazing and there seems to be no record of slacker maintenance.
You know we're all jealous of this trip, please bring back photos for us.
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Old 02-13-2005, 12:49 PM   #8 of 17
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Ron, if you've never taken one before, the helicopter ride will be an experience you'll never forget. My wife and I were in Hawaii last month, and we took our first helicopter ride -- over the volcanoes and active lava flows on the Big Island. It was quite an experience. The company had an excellent safety record and certifications. My wife was nervous before we left, but once in the air we were both too enthralled with the views to even think about anything else.

FYI, we had been on a couple of small plane flights before in Alaska -- a 6-seat Cessna flight around Mount McKinley and a 15-seat seaplane flight to the Misty Fjords National Monument area.

The helicopter flight ranks right up there with the flight around McKinley.


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Old 02-13-2005, 01:57 PM   #9 of 17
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Here's an explanation of autorotation in layman's terms: due to a pitching of the rotor blades, the uprushing of air as the copter falls will spin the blades enough to cushion the (inevitable) impact. As Dustin stated before, this is required training for all helo pilots, both civilian and military...



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