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Old 01-12-2005, 08:07 PM   #1 of 43
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Recycle or Not?


For the past five years I’ve lived in a neighborhood that picks up recycle bins separate from trash. I’ve diligently followed the program by putting glass, plastic, paper & cans into the bin for weekly pickup.

I’ve heard that it takes more energy to recycle most things than it does to produce it from scratch except for aluminum.

Is this true?

Should we stop recycling glass, paper & plastic?

Should we continue to recycle glass, paper & plastic hoping that in the future it will be more efficient than making it from scratch?



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Old 01-12-2005, 08:45 PM   #2 of 43
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Jay, I'd like to know where you heard that.

According to this site, recycling glass takes less energy than producing it from scratch. The accompanying page cites other good reasons to recycle glass, not the least of which is that recycling (of any material) cuts down on waste disposal costs.

Plastic is almost cheaper than dirt, but it's the same as glass in that it's cheaper (energy-wise) to melt down and reuse existing, refined plastic than it is to create it from scratch. The trouble with plastic is that it doesn't recycle nearly as well as glass. Once a plastic is formulated for a particular purpose, it can't just be thrown into a large vat, melted, and used for a different purpose. You know how you can't unscramble an egg? Well, with plastics, you can't re-scramble a previously unscrambled egg. Weird, huh? But with new techniques, it can be done with enough economy to beat producing it from scratch. Plus, recycled plastic finds it way into products other than milk jugs and water bottles. Most significantly, It's used extensively in lumber products, reducing our demand for forested materials.

Paper recycling is effective, but only to a point. Some products, like ink-jet photo paper, simply can't use recycled paper. Most products can use some recycled paper, but you won't find much of anything besides brown and gray stationery that is produced from 100% recycled paper. Also, paper can't be recycled indefinitely. The thing that makes paper what it is is the wood fiber. Every time paper is broken down and recycled, its fibers are broken, which makes them shorter and less suitable for paper products. Eventually what you end up with is cellulose dust, instead of fibers, that can't be bound into a sheet of anything, much less paper. But industry is finding a use for this as fuel for power plants, Duraflame (-like) logs, and even more lumber products like press-board and MDF. If we don't recycle paper, these products and industries will have to get more of their raw materials from forested products, with all the downsides (expense, demand on environment, etc.) that entails.

I'm glad you recycle. You should be proud, and I encourage you to keep it up.
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Old 01-13-2005, 05:46 AM   #3 of 43
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I always recycle, period.



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Old 01-13-2005, 06:36 AM   #4 of 43
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I recycle like a madman.. I even recycle little cardboard things like soapboxes and toothpaste boxes. Even my treehugger sister doesn't recycle them. I don't know why (well I do know why is that I hate throwing things out) but I think I need therapy. I'm a compulsive recycler!

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Old 01-13-2005, 07:55 AM   #5 of 43
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I'm surprized your community doesn't recycle aluminum. From what I've read it has the most payback of all the recycled products - costing far more to produce from scratch that recycled.

But I also recycle everything that I can. My area makes it easy though, picking it up at the curb. Some places you have to bring it to a central collection area.
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Old 01-13-2005, 10:24 AM   #6 of 43
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Who cares if it costs more? It's better for all of us and for the earth if we re-use materials than dump them in landfills.

As for glass, re-use should take precedence over recycling. Let's see more deposit bottles that get refilled and reused.



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Old 01-13-2005, 11:16 AM   #7 of 43
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Jay T., that's crap about costing more to recycle. It's a very popular theme among certain political groups.

Baltimore County publishes a small flyer about recycling. It actually brings $$ into the county and helps reduce taxes. And yet, 1/8 of the people on my block do it.

P*sses me off.

Jay H. -- me too!! How about this one: the QTips package: I rip the cardboard part off and only throw away the plastic bubble part. Eh?
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Old 01-13-2005, 11:51 AM   #8 of 43
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Jay, I'd like to know where you heard that.

Brian, I have some very educated friends in D.C. that tell me studies have been made on recycling and when you take all factors into consideration aluminum takes less energy to recycle rather than starting from scratch. They say when you take all factors into consideration recycling paper, glass & plastic take more energy to recycle and harms our planet more than starting from scratch. I’ve also heard this rumor from others.

The reason I started this thread is to try to find the truth of the matter. Is our current recycling program just another feel good act like adding ethanol to gasoline or does it actually help the environment?

Thanks for the links on glass recycling.
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I'm surprized your community doesn't recycle aluminum.

Al, I may not have made it clear that our neighborhood does recycle aluminum. I’m saying that I’ve heard rumors that recycling aluminum takes less energy than starting from scratch and that it is not the case for paper, glass & plastic.

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Who cares if it costs more? It's better for all of us and for the earth if we re-use materials than dump them in landfills.

Philip, maybe now we’re getting to the heart of this matter.

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Jay T., that's crap about costing more to recycle. It's a very popular theme among certain political groups.

Unfortunately I suspect that groups with an agenda on both sides of this issue are throwing around incomplete studies as fact. That’s the reason for this thread. What’s the truth?


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Old 01-13-2005, 11:54 AM   #9 of 43
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I don't know how one arrives at "truth" ....

If both sides cite studies, is it not a matter of which side you choose to believe?

Anyway, I'll google a while and see what reliable sources I can find ....
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Old 01-13-2005, 12:46 PM   #10 of 43
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Recycle , recycle, recycle!
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Old 01-13-2005, 01:08 PM   #11 of 43
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